UNC Academic Scandal

[shock]

Roys name is carved under so many desks in the NCAA office.

[another shocker]

I get the notion that the NCAA doesn't have jurisdiction over the courses themselves since it isn't an exclusively athletics issue, but as others have noted, what I don't understand is how the NCAA could argue that said classes have no bearing on the eligibility of UNC athletes (and therefore the wins of UNC athletics by playing ineligible athletes). The NCAA regularly declares students ineligible based on failing to meet academic standards in their coursework (especially high school coursework). In what world does the NCAA not have jurisdiction to likewise rule that known academic fraud at UNC invalidates the eligibility of athletes involved and therefore requires wins from those athletes to be vacated (and even the claim that the students and coaches didn't know it was wrong - which itself seems dubious - is irrelevant since the NCAA's ruling on eligibility based on coursework are not about intent, but about academic standards).

i think uk got into some trouble in the 70's for having some sham classes for the athletes. thus was created this loophole. these classes are set up for athletics and the ncaa must have always known about it (who was the ncaa compliance officer that got busted at louisville?). ncaa can get stuffed. they have no authority any more, i would hope.. protect the bluebloods, justify their existance by crushing "mid-majors" no more.

[another shocker]

I wonder if Louisville can come back after all of this and say, "Hey, we should have our 2013 title reinstated because we made hookers and blow available to non-athlete students as well. We can verify that 47% non-athletes benefited from the hookers and blow program, and those numbers climb to a stout 53% when you count the the students that chose either hookers or blow rather than both."

every school will know better in the future. ncaa lets out a sigh of relief because their job just got easier. but still, "mid-majors" beware!

[Cdizzle]

I'm just surprised by the number of people that have tried to apply logic to this case for the past, what, 5 years now?

[im4wsu]

Doesn't the NCAA not only require a minimum GPA to be eligible, but also certain "core course" credits and recently tightened what credits would transfer from Jucos. How is accreditation of classes once on campus different?

[another shocker]

Doesn't the NCAA not only require a minimum GPA to be eligible, but also certain "core course" credits and recently tightened what credits would transfer from Jucos. How is accreditation of classes once on campus different?

the whole thing is a scam. unc charlotte better watch their ass now. really. ncaa has to justify their phony/blueblood crony existance somehow.

[mattdalt]

Doesn't the NCAA not only require a minimum GPA to be eligible, but also certain "core course" credits and recently tightened what credits would transfer from Jucos. How is accreditation of classes once on campus different?

I think the NCAA is within its boundries to require certain courses, and maybe even a certain level of proficiency within that course. But to think the NCAA is in the business of accredidaton is wrong. Schools are responsible for the academic integrity of their courses, with oversight from the appropriate accrediting agency. These classes by UNC were not fraudulent. They were real classes, just not real hard classes. They also did not meet the academic standards of UNC or of the accrediting agency, therefore they were put on academic probation.

[The Mad Hatter]

I think the NCAA is within its boundries to require certain courses, and maybe even a certain level of proficiency within that course. But to think the NCAA is in the business of accredidaton is wrong. Schools are responsible for the academic integrity of their courses, with oversight from the appropriate accrediting agency. These classes by UNC were not fraudulent. They were real classes, just not real hard classes. They also did not meet the academic standards of UNC or of the accrediting agency, therefore they were put on academic probation.

Except that UNC was put on probation by it's accrediting agency over the courses, so the NCAA has external verification that the courses fail basic academic standards.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/major-national-accreditation-agency-considered-dropping-north-carolina/

[Dark Lord]

The NCAA is run by a bunch of old soulless bastards. No surprise that they kneeled before the Tar Heel.

[shockmonster]

They were real classes, just not real hard classes. They also did not meet the academic standards of UNC or of the accrediting agency, therefore they were put on academic probation.

Not "real hard classes"? That's an understatement. ATHLETES were advised to take these classes because they weren't required to do ANYTHING to get an "A". Just because other students received A's too, doesn't take away from the advantages to UNC athletes.

[HockeyShock]

Most of you just want power 5s punched. You should maybe read more about the issue before spouting off.

At one point, Wichita State was the most penalized program in all of the NCAA. You could take every single one of the things that we were tagged for: giving a kid walking home in the snow a coat, talking to a recruit two days too early, providing a discount for UA clothing, etc. line them up and they would look positively pedestrian compared to what the typical Power 5 school gets away with on a daily basis. And that sum total of WSU's sins would sure as hell look innocent compared next to 18 years of systematic, acknowledged academic fraud for the benefit of student-athletes.

So, yeah. I want the Power 5 punched. Obviously you were right (and what a burden it was, I'm sure) and there was no case, but it was the best shot we had at justice. I suppose we'll have to settle for UNC having to admit that it gave sham classes (I've already replaced "Close enough for government work" with "Close enough for UNC Coursework" in my daily lexicon), but all that shame does is bring them slightly down to the level of Kentucky. They still got to hang a banner on Friday.

[wsushockerdude]

Great take I'll paraphrase from Gary Parrish on their recent podcast -

The NCAA has always attested that student athletes held amateur status and were rewarded with a great education. In the last three weeks, we've been shown that they're clearly not amateurs (because they get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars) and that the education they receive is practically non-existent.

[WstateU]

[another shocker]

any other school pulling this stunt would have been screwed, blued and tattooed.

[WstateU]

any other school pulling this stunt would have been screwed, blued and tattooed.

And here we go...

Here's two more times the NCAA is failing to rule sensibly on players' academic issues

Oakland's Jalen Hayes and Colorado's Evan Battey both got ridiculous rulings from the NCAA

""It's a little bit ironic to me with all the things that are going on in college basketball," Colorado coach Tad Boyle told reporters Thursday when he announced Battey has been ruled ineligible to compete as a freshman. "North Carolina academic scandal, they lawyer up and fight the NCAA for two years, and they win on a technicality. They get off scot-free. There's an FBI investigation going on. There's four assistant coaches that have been arrested by the FBI. As of today, nothing has happened to those four schools. No ramifications for those sorts of things. But you have a kid who struggled a little bit when he was 13 years old in the classroom due to a lot of personal and family issues he was dealing with at the time, and he gets stuck sitting out this year."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...ademic-issues/