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  • #46
    Originally posted by shocks02 View Post
    Q: Does this affect Wichita State’s role as co-host of the 2018 NCAA Tournament games at Intrust Bank Arena?
    A: No. WSU will work with the MVC, as planned since awarded the games in 2014. Athletic director Darron Boatright ruled out WSU dropping out of that role. Since WSU is hosting, its men’s basketball team cannot play in the downtown Wichita arena.
    “We asked the Valley to co-host with us because of their experience in running first and second rounds and regionals,” he said. “We’re not interested in trying to get out of it. We wanted to bring that event here for the citizens of Wichita.”

    Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college...#storylink=cpy
    Aresco also mentioned during a conference call today that there has been no discussion about AAC being involved in current hosting arrangement.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by martymoose View Post
      FYI, I've heard from a reliable source that even if WSU has a shot at playing near home, WSU will not give up being the host school, so we will not be playing at IBA. Just a warning if you were buying tickets in hopes of that. Things could change...so I guess you never know.
      This really makes no sense to me. We should have a top 10 team next year meaning our chances of being a protected seed is very good. Why in the world would we give up a chance to play at Intrust?

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      • #48
        Originally posted by shocks02 View Post
        Q: Does this affect Wichita State’s role as co-host of the 2018 NCAA Tournament games at Intrust Bank Arena?
        A: No. WSU will work with the MVC, as planned since awarded the games in 2014. Athletic director Darron Boatright ruled out WSU dropping out of that role. Since WSU is hosting, its men’s basketball team cannot play in the downtown Wichita arena.
        “We asked the Valley to co-host with us because of their experience in running first and second rounds and regionals,” he said. “We’re not interested in trying to get out of it. We wanted to bring that event here for the citizens of Wichita.”

        Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college...#storylink=cpy
        What a great day today has been, then we get this. Still an unbelievable and amazingly positive day but this news regarding the tournament is so disappointing.

        We likely have Top 10 team with a site in our home city and a chance to play there if we weren't host and we refuse to just let the MVC host. I'd be so pissed about this if I were Gregg Marshall. Makes absolutely no sense.

        Hell, we might as well just play all of our games at INTRUST if we aren't ever going to be able to play there in the postseason. We can have more people there, we can drink and there's better pregame and postgame entertainment options for our fans.

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        • #49
          Maybe Elgin said we will honor our commitment to co-host, but there is no way that the MVC will take on hosting the event on its own. Thats my guess at least.
          ShockerNet is a rat infested cess pool.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Shocker-maniac View Post
            Maybe Elgin said we will honor our commitment to co-host, but there is no way that the MVC will take on hosting the event on its own. Thats my guess at least.
            I thought of that as well. It's possible that you could just take ADDB at his word. That WSU requested the MVC's help on this and that WSU feels like the honorable thing to would be to stay on as co-host especially now that the Valley would not benefit from WSU's playing at Intrust. Perhaps it would be different if WSU was still in the Valley. If that is part of the cost of transitioning to the AAC then so be it,

            The other possibility is that the Valley, as @Shocker-maniac suggested, told WSU that since you are leaving the Valley if you back out we back out. Not sure what happens in that case. Maybe the move the site to a new location. But in any case good luck on ever being considered as a host location again. If that is what happened I wouldn't particularly blame the Valley especially if, in fact, WSU did ask the MVC to help it with the hosting duties. There is no doubt that the Valley has more experience in that role than WSU has and so it would not be at all surprising that is what happened.

            Now if Wichita fans get pissed off and don't support this event with the Shocks not playing here then it is unlikely Wichita will get another chance to host again.

            I have a feeling they didn't have much of choice as a practical matter.
            Last edited by 1972Shocker; April 7, 2017, 11:05 PM.

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            • #51
              There might also be a financial benefit to hosting. The possibility of going to Dallas isn't a horrible replacement.

              Don't forget that Omaha is the Midwest Regional host. I could think of worse spots to clinch a Final Four berth.
              78-65

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              • #52
                WSU just delivered a mighty blow to the prestige and viability of the MVC with the move to the AAC although the Valley had to know that was a possibility. But to dump the sole responsibility for hosting on the MVC may just feel like your kicking a guy when he is down. And not just some stranger either.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post
                  WSU just delivered a mighty blow to the prestige and viability of the MVC with the move to the AAC although the Valley had to know that was a possibility. But to dump the sole responsibility for hosting on the MVC may just feel like your kicking a guy when he is down. And not just some stranger either.
                  Conferences host regionals without a university partner all of the time.

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                  • #54
                    I am wondering if finding out the true benefit to Wichita as a regional host might play into decision not to have Wichita State play here.

                    If you only have 7 teams travel in, book hotels, eat food, etc, you don't know what the true economic impact is, and that hurts your ability to place a competitive bid. If we do end up hosting as planned, and do nit play here, some very smart people will have some very good info on how to bid these going forward and make getting the tourney games much more likely.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Downtown Shocker Brown View Post
                      I am wondering if finding out the true benefit to Wichita as a regional host might play into decision not to have Wichita State play here.

                      If you only have 7 teams travel in, book hotels, eat food, etc, you don't know what the true economic impact is, and that hurts your ability to place a competitive bid. If we do end up hosting as planned, and do nit play here, some very smart people will have some very good info on how to bid these going forward and make getting the tourney games much more likely.
                      (x) / 7 x 8

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Keyser Soze View Post
                        Conferences host regionals without a university partner all of the time.
                        Very common indeed. The Valley itself hosted 1st and 2nd round games in 2016 and 2017 in St. Louis. However, that is the Valley's home location and they volunteered on their own accord.

                        In this case, what we have been publicly told is that Wichita State asked the Valley to co-host the Wichita games in 2018 by Wichita State because the Valley has much more experience with this than Wichita State does. The implication being that WSU was asking the Valley for a favor. It is also possible that WSU and the Valley were thinking that it might be a possibility that WSU might earn a protected seed so it would benefit both WSU and the Valley if WSU could play at Intrust. Having the Valley co-hosting left open the possibility that WSU could drop out of hosting and play at Intrust. In fact, the latter may have been the primary reason for the Valley to co-host the event although they are unlikely to say that publicly.

                        With Wichita State's departure from the Valley there is really no benefit to the Valley and there is really no incentive for the Valley to do Wichita State any favors.

                        So either Wichita State has decided that they need to do the honorable thing and remain as a co-host with the Valley or the Valley is forcing Wichita State's hand by threatening to withdraw from hosting if Wichita State does is impossible to know unless you are privy to some inside information.

                        Divorces are often a bit messy and you have to do some things you don't really want to do. Part of the cost of the divorce.

                        The effort here seems to be to burn as few bridges as possible on the way out of the Valley.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Topshock View Post
                          (x) / 7 x 8
                          Seems pretty simple for so many variables. How does it weigh the normally much larger #1 seed fan base that would probably be a regionally located university?

                          Surely we would not weigh a multi-million dollar risk on a middle school math equation.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Downtown Shocker Brown View Post
                            Seems pretty simple for so many variables. How does it weigh the normally much larger #1 seed fan base that would probably be a regionally located university?

                            Surely we would not weigh a multi-million dollar risk on a middle school math equation.
                            Particularly as it would be (7/8)x and not as posted. But, your point about not all xes being equal remains.
                            Wichita State, home of the All-Americans.

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                            • #59
                              I guessed I missed the part where WSU's aspirations and goals directly shadowed (or vice versa) the City of Wichita's. Seems like a stretch, assumption, and false narrative, but I'm just a dumb-dumb.

                              I mean the idea that WSU is somehow incentivized to have eight teams at IBA next March instead of seven is predicated on this theory, no?

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post

                                Now if Wichita fans get pissed off and don't support this event with the Shocks not playing here then it is unlikely Wichita will get another chance to host again.
                                The soulless bastards that call themselves KU fans will buy more than enough to cover any pissed off Shocker fans
                                The boundaries which divide Life from Death are at best shadowy and vague. Who shall say where the one ends, and where the other begins?

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