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  • Originally posted by WuDrWu View Post
    Okay, somewhat fair point, but that (I think) ignores his high school situation. Nevertheless, he was a top 50 recruit. And for the record, I completely agree, that IS a LOT of pressure on the young man. Being from Wichita doesn't diminish the pressure...neither does being a transfer from ku, I love the game and wouldn't want to be in that position.

    I'll buy he's not living up to expectations. Does that mean some fans should be giving up on him? How many people said "I'm done with Frankamp" after the game yesterday?

    He's damned good. Maybe not as good as some want, but he's still damned good.

    I'll buy that's he's buckling under pressure, maybe even some of his own doing (although EVERY time he lines up a 3 the entire crowd inhales as if it's a certainty to go in...don't believe me, watch).

    I just hate that people are giving him a hard time when clearly he's been solid at WORST so far.....and still, if you don't think he has upside you don't understand the game.
    That could not have been said more perfectly Doc! Kudos.

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    • Sometimes I wonder what his career would have been like had he signed her out of high school.

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      • The official Men's Basketball page for the Wichita State Shockers



        Great video. There's also one of the postgame in the locker room that's must see IMHO. If I find it I'll edit and post it here.



        Last edited by WuDrWu; December 11, 2016, 11:27 PM.

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        • Here's Daishon's dunk again from GoShocker's YouTube channel.

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          • Originally posted by pinstripers View Post
            Sometimes I wonder what his career would have been like had he signed her out of high school.
            Originally posted by pinstripers View Post
            Sometimes I wonder what his career would have been like had he signed her out of high school.
            A lot less pressure. Having that transfer status from "heaven" has got to be a tremendous caveat.
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            AP Poll History of Wichita St:
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                • When comparing LS and CF - I think overall passing (not just for assists) is clearly in the favor of CF. He almost always sees the pass that creates a gap or an issue for the opposing defense.

                  LS is still developing the skill. The one play that best illustrated his lack of point guard instincts was his drive after AR made that sick step back three. AR was wide open in the field of view for LS for a inside-out corner three. Instead of passing LS threw up an unbalanced runner. I have seen this tendency throughout, but haven't been too concerned until that play. We had a guy clearly ready to go bananas- you have to feed the hot hand.

                  I think LS's shooting will improve over time, but it is good enough. The next step in his game is making the right pass.

                  For CF - I just want him to talk a little smack and play with some swagger.
                  I like everything he is doing outside of passing up a few good looks a game. Maybe college basketball broke that killer instinct, but I can hope.

                  For DS - play like you did in the last ten minutes. Brilliant. I love his ability to pass ahead. Maybe he could develop the left hand a little more and stay a little more focused on what defense we are in (especially early).

                  For AR - avoid fouls. The rest is money.
                  Last edited by proshox; December 11, 2016, 11:29 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by 1979Shocker View Post
                      I can never get your links to work

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                      • Originally posted by WuDrWu View Post
                        Okay, somewhat fair point, but that (I think) ignores his high school situation. Nevertheless, he was a top 50 recruit. And for the record, I completely agree, that IS a LOT of pressure on the young man. Being from Wichita doesn't diminish the pressure...neither does being a transfer from ku, I love the game and wouldn't want to be in that position.

                        I'll buy he's not living up to expectations. Does that mean some fans should be giving up on him? How many people said "I'm done with Frankamp" after the game yesterday?

                        He's damned good. Maybe not as good as some want, but he's still damned good.

                        I'll buy that's he's buckling under pressure, maybe even some of his own doing (although EVERY time he lines up a 3 the entire crowd inhales as if it's a certainty to go in...don't believe me, watch).

                        I just hate that people are giving him a hard time when clearly he's been solid at WORST so far.....and still, if you don't think he has upside you don't understand the game.
                        And boom goes the dynamite!

                        Doc nailed it and although some on here will still want to yap about CF, it is what it is. Yea I know, an old and worn out cliche but spot on.

                        CF does what he can do and after watching the game a couple times, did everything he can do with max effort.

                        Doc is correcto about every time he launches a trey. Most expect nothing but twine and disappointed when it doesn't fall - even from 25'!

                        He is a player that needs certain match ups and will get them as the season moves on. There will be nights when he scores a couple and others when he approaches 20.

                        He gave all he had Saturday, which is more than I can say for RK.
                        The lazy ass pass he made at crunch time was inexcusable and almost cost them the game. I questioned why HCGM even put him in after he had sleep walked anytime he had been in before.

                        HCGM yanked him ASAP after his gift turnover and planted him on the pine. Not sure where his mind was Saturday, but it wasn't in OKC.

                        That is all.
                        Above all, make the right call.

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                        • Originally posted by ShockRef View Post
                          And boom goes the dynamite!

                          Doc nailed it and although some on here will still want to yap about CF, it is what it is. Yea I know, an old and worn out cliche but spot on.

                          CF does what he can do and after watching the game a couple times, did everything he can do with max effort.

                          Doc is correcto about every time he launches a trey. Most expect nothing but twine and disappointed when it doesn't fall - even from 25'!

                          He is a player that needs certain match ups and will get them as the season moves on. There will be nights when he scores a couple and others when he approaches 20.

                          He gave all he had Saturday, which is more than I can say for RK.
                          The lazy ass pass he made at crunch time was inexcusable and almost cost them the game. I questioned why HCGM even put him in after he had sleep walked anytime he had been in before.

                          HCGM yanked him ASAP after his gift turnover and planted him on the pine. Not sure where his mind was Saturday, but it wasn't in OKC.

                          That is all.
                          RK was phenomenal on defense in the first half. Especially during a stretch when the game could have gotten out of hand for WSU.

                          I will agree to terrible execution on the pass.

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                          • LS reminds me a bit of Toure Murry. He can do a little bit of everything. He's long, plays good D, athletic and decent shooter. I think LS has more upside though. If he can get more consistency with his outside shot, he can be a star in this league.

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                            • Kelly made a terrible pass, but should never have had the ball in that situation. The guards needed to hold the ball for 25 seconds.

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                              • Originally posted by Dan View Post
                                LS reminds me a bit of Toure Murry. He can do a little bit of everything. He's long, plays good D, athletic and decent shooter. I think LS has more upside though. If he can get more consistency with his outside shot, he can be a star in this league.
                                Much quicker.

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