Conner Frankamp

[forevershockerfan]

So glad for CF and the Shockers to have him. He has improved his defense tremendously and the steals are more than a welcome sight. It is a great benefit to have "our very best shooter" ranking 11th (conf only 7th) on the team in FG%, 10th (conf 8th) in 2-pt FG%, 4th (conf 5th) in 3-pt FG% and 5th (conf 6th) in FT%.
Comparing shooting records based on the number of AR's total shots

First 19 3-pt shots as a Shocker
**CF is 6-19
**LS is 5-19
**AR is 11-19
First 19 3-pt shots this season
**CF is 8-19
**LS is 7-19
**AR is 11-19
Last 19 3-pt shots
**CF is 11-19
**LS is 10-19
**AR is 11-19
Last 74 FG attempts --- other attempts
**CF is 38-74 (51.3%) -- 32 - 84 (38.1%)
**LS is 37-74 (50.0%) -- 54 -125 (43.2%)
**AR is 35-74 (47.3%) -- 0 - 0 (n.a.)

These stats are interesting and thanks for sharing them. CF is indeed our Very Best Shooter IMO, and lately this is becoming more evident in the games we play which is where it counts. If stats on paper were all that mattered, would Mr. Wessel got the playing time he did as a Shocker? In the scheme of things, if it comes down to a clutch open shot, a 3-pointer or free-throw needed in the games to follow, there are several Shockers that would be solid and this Is evident from the stats. Lately, CF is gaining in confidence and I sure won't mind it if he takes such open shots. I still remember a few years ago watching KU rely on his outside 3-point shooting (even though he did not play that much before this game) versus Stanford at the Dance and he finally missed one or they might have won that game. Not sure what the stat sheet said that year but he was their best shooter too IMO.

Actually, Austin has been in the Valley lead in 3-point accuracy and LS impresses me too and this is awesome for Freshmen to accomplish. Thus, I look for this trend to continue and also don't mind either of them taking big outside shots for us either. I have not checked lately, but the Shocks had 4 players in the top ten in Valley field goal % recently and that is kewl.

[MadaboutWu]

Lest anyone forget, Eric Hamilton was a better three point shooter than Ron last year. You know, just in case you missed the literal dozens of im4wsu posts pointing that out any time someone said Ron was our best or one of our best shooters.

Airtight analysis ftw. If someone wants to sissy fight over whether CF, AR or LS is our best outside shooter, go crazy, there are arguments to be made for all 3 right now. However, constantly pointing that guys with ~20 or less attempts on the season have a superior percentage to any of the regular bombers carries as much weight as noting JRS was hands down, by far our best 3 point shooter last season, so much so that Ron and FVV were lucky to even be in the same conversation from a 3FG% standpoint.

Yep, and AR has surely benefited from being less scouted, game planned and less-heavily guarded than CF for a decent portion of the season and likely into the present. Nevertheless all three are lighting it up.

[Play Angry]

Yep, and AR has surely benefited from being less scouted, game planned and less-heavily guarded than CF for a decent portion of the season and likely into the present. Nevertheless all three are lighting it up.

Yep. This is an incredible year for our shooters.

[ShockingButTrue]

Against the Bears, Conner scored 10 pts., had 2 assists, and 0 turnovers. However, this is my favorite stat of that game. CF led our Squad with 4 steals. What? Yes, 4 steals and That gets favor with Coach Marshall who preaches defense.

This. I literally chuckled during the Redbird game last week when Conner dropped off of his man (who didn't have the ball) to help cover (briefly) a post (Fayne?) who was sliding into the lane wide open (he didn't get free)... A POST!!! He (the post) didn't get the ball. That's winning basketball.

[im4wsu]

Lest anyone forget, Eric Hamilton was a better three point shooter than Ron last year. You know, just in case you missed the literal dozens of im4wsu posts pointing that out any time someone said Ron was our best or one of our best shooters.

Airtight analysis ftw. If someone wants to sissy fight over whether CF, AR or LS is our best outside shooter, go crazy, there are arguments to be made for all 3 right now. However, constantly pointing that guys with ~20 or less attempts on the season have a superior percentage to any of the regular bombers carries as much weight as noting JRS was hands down, by far our best 3 point shooter last season, so much so that Ron and FVV were lucky to even be in the same conversation from a 3FG% standpoint.

My post was incorrect in saying that AR had only 19 attempts; the 19 was conference only and I failed to see that. In fact he has 49 attempts, but CF has 113. In fact, in his last 49 shots, he also has made 26, just like Austin. That leaves him 21 of 64, 32.8% for the first 64 attempts. I hope it is not cherry-picking to select the last 49 shots to compare with AR's 49 shots, which are both his first and his last, because I hope CF continues to shoot around 50% or more.

Of the ten Shockers with a higher FG% than CF, only Brett Barney and JR Simon have fewer than 20 attempts, and CJ Keyser has 31. Four of them have more attempts than CF (Willis, Morris, Shamet, McDuffie). So there's that.

On 3-point attempts, CF ranks 4th and the other three ahead of him have 49, 24 and 115 (which is two more shots than CF). So there's that kind of selectivity going on.

But none of those others won the three-point shooting contest at Shocker Madness. That CF owns.

[im4wsu]

Yep, and AR has surely benefited from being less scouted, game planned and less-heavily guarded than CF for a decent portion of the season and likely into the present. Nevertheless all three are lighting it up.

As to scouting, I'm not privy to the opponents' locker rooms and team meetings. As for tightly guarded, I don't see anybody leaving AR or LS unguarded or less guarded. If you can recognize CF gets open enough to get his shot off, why cannot you recognize that LS and AR do the same.

[proshox]

My post was incorrect in saying that AR had only 19 attempts; the 19 was conference only and I failed to see that. In fact he has 49 attempts, but CF has 113. In fact, in his last 49 shots, he also has made 26, just like Austin. That leaves him 21 of 64, 32.8% for the first 64 attempts. I hope it is not cherry-picking to select the last 49 shots to compare with AR's 49 shots, which are both his first and his last, because I hope CF continues to shoot around 50% or more.

Of the ten Shockers with a higher FG% than CF, only Brett Barney and JR Simon have fewer than 20 attempts, and CJ Keyser has 31. Four of them have more attempts than CF (Willis, Morris, Shamet, McDuffie). So there's that.

On 3-point attempts, CF ranks 4th and the other three ahead of him have 49, 24 and 115 (which is two more shots than CF). So there's that kind of selectivity going on.

But none of those others won the three-point shooting contest at Shocker Madness. That CF owns.

The stats alone will not tell you much...have you played a lot of basketball? Some of this stuff may not make sense if you haven't:


Anybody other than CF benefits from him attracting a ton of attention and the fact he passes the ball to shooters in rythym more than any other shocker.

Conversely, CF rarely gets space and when he is open I have never seen a player get the ball as late as he does. If he gets the ball at all.

Finally, he is the one scaring other coaches.

I really like the shooting of LS and AR, but they are not getting near as much attention as CF.

[im4wsu]

This. I literally chuckled during the Redbird game last week when Conner dropped off of his man (who didn't have the ball) to help cover (briefly) a post (Fayne?) who was sliding into the lane wide open (he didn't get free)... A POST!!! He (the post) didn't get the ball. That's winning basketball.

That's what TEAM defense is all about. CF is getting better and better at it, too. I, too, appreciate those plays when I see them. Fred was a master of playing well off his individual assignment and helping on defense.

Many of CF's steals came off TEAM defense, some were even deflections that teammates made. That doesn't make them less important nor neither more or less important than when CF deflects a pass and another Shocker gets credit for the steal. Individual stats are not why WSU is currently ranked 20th in KenPom's AdjD category. A blocked shot, unless recovered by a teammate are no better than a deflected pass that goes out of bounds or to an opponent; both are disruptive and welcomed by 3G (and me), but doesn't give us the ball.

[ShockingButTrue]

That's what TEAM defense is all about. CF is getting better and better at it, too. I, too, appreciate those plays when I see them. Fred was a master of playing well off his individual assignment and helping on defense.

Many of CF's steals came off TEAM defense, some were even deflections that teammates made. That doesn't make them less important nor neither more or less important than when CF deflects a pass and another Shocker gets credit for the steal. Individual stats are not why WSU is currently ranked 20th in KenPom's AdjD category. A blocked shot, unless recovered by a teammate are no better than a deflected pass that goes out of bounds or to an opponent; both are disruptive and welcomed by 3G (and me), but doesn't give us the ball.

Un Huh! I used to love it when there was a loose ball and Cotton was in the vicinity. He always was the one who came up with the ball. Always.

[wufan]

@im4wsu:, nobody came in to this thread and said CF is the best guard we have. He is one of three guards having an outstanding Valley shooting season, and he along with the other three, are doing a lot of good things besides shooting. I don't expect him to lead the team in FG%, but there's nothing wrong with shooting 50%. If it makes you feel better, I wish he rebounded better.

[im4wsu]

@im4wsu, nobody came in to this thread and said CF is the best guard we have. He is one of three guards having an outstanding Valley shooting season, and he along with the other three, are doing a lot of good things besides shooting. I don't expect him to lead the team in FG%, but there's nothing wrong with shooting 50%. If it makes you feel better, I wish he rebounded better.

I'm sorry you object to facts or to the way I present them. I was stimulated to look up the stats because of the statement in this thread (and at other times in many other threads during the season) that Conner is our very best shooter. He may well be, but he hadn't shown it until this last streak of 26-49. Didn't show it at Kansas; at WSU last year or up until this current streak this year.

We are blessed to have Conner, Austin, Landry and 13 other Shockers. All of them. They each contribute in their own way. But since the readily accepted method of measuring shooting is FG% and there are so many that have higher percentages than Conner, it is silly to continually insist that he is, now, our very best shooter. He may become that or maybe already is, but hasn't shown it. It is a slight to others who have shown better results.

Conner has done much better since moving out of the point position, which isn't his natural spot. He's playing better defense and his assists are producing more inside results than previously. I cannot ask for more in the progress department. For the team's sake, I hope his shooting continues at the current rate and that he continues to improve. I also hope that Brown's shooting improves and that he continues to play outstanding defense. I hope Markis gets his shooting touch back, but what a job he is doing of letting the game come to him and not forcing things.

[wufan]

I'm sorry you object to facts or to the way I present them. I was stimulated to look up the stats because of the statement in this thread (and at other times in many other threads during the season) that Conner is our very best shooter. He may well be, but he hadn't shown it until this last streak of 26-49. Didn't show it at Kansas; at WSU last year or up until this current streak this year.

We are blessed to have Conner, Austin, Landry and 13 other Shockers. All of them. They each contribute in their own way. But since the readily accepted method of measuring shooting is FG% and there are so many that have higher percentages than Conner, it is silly to continually insist that he is, now, our very best shooter. He may become that or maybe already is, but hasn't shown it. It is a slight to others who have shown better results.

Conner has done much better since moving out of the point position, which isn't his natural spot. He's playing better defense and his assists are producing more inside results than previously. I cannot ask for more in the progress department. For the team's sake, I hope his shooting continues at the current rate and that he continues to improve. I also hope that Brown's shooting improves and that he continues to play outstanding defense. I hope Markis gets his shooting touch back, but what a job he is doing of letting the game come to him and not forcing things.

I only object to the way you present them. A 3 point specialist is usually judged by 3FG%. Conner was great in high school and less than average his first two years in college. Since then he's been fantastic. He's second on the team (.492) for those that qualify and fifth in the conference. He's also fourth (2.3 per game) in the conference in makes. 50 shots is not a small sample size.

BTW, Austin is first in the conference in 3fg% and Shamet is 7th. Keyser, Kelly, and Nurger don't qualify, but together they are shooting 52%.

[im4wsu]

The stats alone will not tell you much...have you played a lot of basketball? Some of this stuff may not make sense if you haven't:


Anybody other than CF benefits from him attracting a ton of attention and the fact he passes the ball to shooters in rythym more than any other shocker.

Conversely, CF rarely gets space and when he is open I have never seen a player get the ball as late as he does. If he gets the ball at all.

Finally, he is the one scaring other coaches.

I really like the shooting of LS and AR, but they are not getting near as much attention as CF.

I am not oblivious to basketball nuances. it isn't tough to know that when a guy gets defensive attention, it helps the other guys out immensely. Conner doesn't draw double teams, though, and doesn't drive very often, so the positive effect of him being guarded is not as significant as if he were to draw multiple defenders to him by driving. He also has the fewest FT attempts per minute played of anybody other than Zach Bush (I'm too lazy to check how many of his 22 total attempts were shooting technical foul shots), so the defender only has to guard against him shooting at or nearby the arc.

Conner is a good passer in that his passes are usually arrive in a good position for the receiver to do something with it (not behind the guy, or over his head where he has to reach for it, etc.), but IMHO way too many are simply around-the-horn passes rather than make-something-happen passes. I wish Conner would catch every pass with the intention of shooting the ball and then decide whether to shoot or dribble or pass; too often it seems he could have a very good shot but he's already decided to pass it to somebody else outside the arc.

I do not, however, concur that CF only gets the ball late (although I don't know whether you mean late in the shot clock or too long after he is open) or never gets it. I'm certain game replays will bear me out on this.

If AR were drawing as little attention as you seem to see, he would have put up a lot more shots. I just don't see him being wide open that much, but apparently you do.

He may be scaring other coaches, but I can tell by looking at games that Landry gets every bit as much attention as Conner. As he should.

[wufan]

I am not oblivious to basketball nuances. it isn't tough to know that when a guy gets defensive attention, it helps the other guys out immensely. Conner doesn't draw double teams, though, and doesn't drive very often, so the positive effect of him being guarded is not as significant as if he were to draw multiple defenders to him by driving. He also has the fewest FT attempts per minute played of anybody other than Zach Bush (I'm too lazy to check how many of his 22 total attempts were shooting technical foul shots), so the defender only has to guard against him shooting at or nearby the arc.

Conner is a good passer in that his passes are usually arrive in a good position for the receiver to do something with it (not behind the guy, or over his head where he has to reach for it, etc.), but IMHO way too many are simply around-the-horn passes rather than make-something-happen passes. I wish Conner would catch every pass with the intention of shooting the ball and then decide whether to shoot or dribble or pass; too often it seems he could have a very good shot but he's already decided to pass it to somebody else outside the arc.

I do not, however, concur that CF only gets the ball late (although I don't know whether you mean late in the shot clock or too long after he is open) or never gets it. I'm certain game replays will bear me out on this.

If AR were drawing as little attention as you seem to see, he would have put up a lot more shots. I just don't see him being wide open that much, but apparently you do.

He may be scaring other coaches, but I can tell by looking at games that Landry gets every bit as much attention as Conner. As he should.

Landrys actually a much tougher match-up (my opinion) than Conner. He's a huge threat to drive and shoot...at 6-4+, that's just tough to guard. I noticed that against MSU Miller face guarded CF out to 28 foot.

[im4wsu]

I only object to the way you present them. A 3 point specialist is usually judged by 3FG%. Conner was great in high school and less than average his first two years in college. Since then he's been fantastic. He's second on the team (.492) for those that qualify and fifth in the conference. He's also fourth (2.3 per game) in the conference in makes. 50 shots is not a small sample size.

BTW, Austin is first in the conference in 3fg% and Shamet is 7th. Keyser, Kelly, and Nurger don't qualify, but together they are shooting 52%.

In conference he is .492 from three, overall this season he is .416. He began his current level of shooting about 10 games ago...so happy he has.

Game	3P	3PA	3P%	CUM 3pt%
1	0	3	0.000	0.000
2	3	5	0.600	0.375
3	0	3	0.000	0.273
4	1	3	0.333	0.286
5	2	2	1.000	0.375
6	3	7	0.429	0.391
7	0	4	0.000	0.333
8	1	3	0.333	0.333
9	2	5	0.400	0.343
10	1	4	0.250	0.333
11	2	7	0.286	0.326
12	0	1	0.000	0.319
13	3	7	0.429	0.333
14	0	3	0.000	0.316
15	2	4	0.500	0.328
16	1	4	0.250	0.323
17	3	4	0.750	0.348
18	2	7	0.286	0.342
19	2	5	0.400	0.346
20	4	4	1.000	0.376
21	1	2	0.500	0.379
22	1	2	0.500	0.382
23	3	6	0.500	0.389
24	4	8	0.500	0.398
25	4	6	0.667	0.413
26	2	4	0.500	0.416