2016-17 National Rankings

[The 'hut]

Great job Shocks!

My two cents: When you are talking about guys who cover Wichita State and woven into their coverage are some elements of the political landscape, that is gray enough that it's okay to talk about it in both forums. This is not a political debate. There is a good chance our association with Charles Koch is part of why certain people are not being objective with WSU basketball, and that is incredibly dumb, but it is relevant in the basketball forum.

This is not incredibly dumb, but grounds to have your media vote revoked. If I am asked to judge (or referee) any contest and I let anything other than the performance sway my decision, I should recuse myself. He openly admitted he is influenced by the Koch's presence. Be a man and give up your poll ballot.

[Dan]

Hilarious - I said tongue in Cheek, that Iowa State would be ranked. Guess it wasn't so funny. 19-9

[ShockerPhi]

Poor Gonzaga falls to #4. I bet they lost their 1 seed too.

[BOBB]

It is also possible to be in disagreement with a person's political views, yet be grateful for their philanthropy. I would even be willing to be their might be some employees at Koch Industries who don't march in lockstep with Koch's politics.

And while I understand JH4P's sentiment, often sports get political entanglements simply because it is a highly publicized platform, just like with celebrities.

All that said, putting my post back on topic, #21 is better than I expected! Jerry Palm is a tool.

Well said. Agreed on all points.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Hilarious - I said tongue in Cheek, that Iowa State would be ranked. Guess it wasn't so funny. 19-9

Iowa State is #23 in KenPom, has absolutely zero bad losses, multiple top notch wins, and is on a hot streak the past few weeks. I really can't see any reason to fault them getting voted into a top 25 poll.

[ShockerPrez]

Iowa State is #23 in KenPom, has absolutely zero bad losses, multiple top notch wins, and is on a hot streak the past few weeks. I really can't see any reason to fault them getting voted into a top 25 poll.

Iowa State may end up going the farthest of all the Big 12 teams in the dance. I would take OSU and them doing just as well as BU, KU and WV. Both are playing good basketball while the other 3 seem to be struggling.

[ShockerInKC]

Iowa State is #23 in KenPom, has absolutely zero bad losses, multiple top notch wins, and is on a hot streak the past few weeks. I really can't see any reason to fault them getting voted into a top 25 poll.

Yeah but they only beat Drake by 17.

[shock]

Iowa State is #23 in KenPom, has absolutely zero bad losses, multiple top notch wins, and is on a hot streak the past few weeks. I really can't see any reason to fault them getting voted into a top 25 poll.

Zero bad losses?

[shock]

Yeah but they only beat Drake by 17.

ISU blue by a basket.

[ROOT ANGRY!]

#22 in the coaches poll.
Behind Wisc, just ahead of Virginia

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Zero bad losses?

Yes. KenPom adjusts "vs top 50" for home/road. #90 on the road = #50 neutral = #20 at home. He calls these "type A" games.

All 9 of Iowa State's losses are "type A" games.

[molly jabali]

It is also possible to be in disagreement with a person's political views, yet be grateful for their philanthropy. I would even be willing to be their might be some employees at Koch Industries who don't march in lockstep with Koch's politics.

And while I understand JH4P's sentiment, often sports get political entanglements simply because it is a highly publicized platform, just like with celebrities.

All that said, putting my post back on topic, #21 is better than I expected! Jerry Palm is a tool.

ALL of this made me chuckle, especially your ending!

[ShockingButTrue]

ISU blue by a basket.

They looked evenly matched as I recall.

[shocka khan]

In the case of Seth Davis, he directly said his politics affect his view of WSU. Not of teams in general. Of WSU.

That's very relevant to this thread considering he is one of the AP voters.

As a pollster, Davis is supposed to be INDEPENDENT and OBJECTIVE. If he can't keep politics out of it, he needs to quit. There have been times in my career that I had to make a choice to either be independent and objective or to sacrifice it.

I think people respect you more as a person when you do not allow anything to influence your independence and objectivity, especially if your role dictates judging by facts and not opinions.

[Cdizzle]

21 matches my eye test. Hard to complain in either direction at this point, I think.

What a great job of improving throughout the season by this team. Kudos to the players and coaches.