2016-17 Media Love Thread

[ShockingButTrue]

I've got no beef with Conner, just those on here who belive

(1) he is the savior for this team
(2) he is so fragile that the crowd's expectations have ruined his ability
(3) that 1.5 years in the program isn't long enough to get in the groove.

I still believe that he is a good player, probably out of position at point guard in this system. Wish he was three-four inches taller as a shooting guard.

I like Conner a lot, just don't believe he will be the guy that many think he is in their dreams.

Oh, I just looked at the stat sheet, not attempting to cherry-pick any particular items. Facts are facts, spin them as you wish.

Our point spot (any of 'em) is not going to garner even honorable mention all Valley honors probably. That's just the truth. But it doesn't matter because we will still have a pretty successful season.

Conner had a good game the other night. I'd really like to see him this season reach a level where he does it in consecutive games. Why can't he?

[pie n eye]

I've got no beef with Conner, just those on here who belive

(1) he is the savior for this team
(2) he is so fragile that the crowd's expectations have ruined his ability
(3) that 1.5 years in the program isn't long enough to get in the groove.

I still believe that he is a good player, probably out of position at point guard in this system. Wish he was three-four inches taller as a shooting guard.

I like Conner a lot, just don't believe he will be the guy that many think he is in their dreams.

Oh, I just looked at the stat sheet, not attempting to cherry-pick any particular items. Facts are facts, spin them as you wish.

My hopes for Conner were as high as anyone on this board. So far he hasn't lived up to my personal lofty expectations. It is what it is, I'm not disappointed or upset - he's human like the rest of us. It's not his fault that I talked him up preseason. He didn't ask me to spout that opinion.

That said, I still believe he's been an important part of this team and he hasn't reached his full potential yet.

Besides, what's the harm if people want to hope and believe that he can be a better player? It feels totally unnecessary to constantly drag him down in the middle of personal beefs and use him as a gotcha card.

[Aargh]

There seems to be a tendency, perhaps even eagerness, to read something negative into any post about Frankamp that isn't hyperbole. I made a reference to adjusting from being "the guy" (I meant prior to D1) to a more reasonable role in D1 ball and evidently several posters thought that was an attack on him, which it certainly wasn't.

Conner played a lot of ball before he hit the D1 level. At every level below D1 he was "the guy". Generally, he was "the team".

At every level below D1 CF was supposed to shoot the ball when he got it. When opponents double-teamed or triple-teamed him, he could find an unguarded teammate. 10 years or so of learning that is not easy to unlearn in a year or 2 in D1.

Now when CF gets the ball, he's got to decide if he should shoot it or pass it on that particular possession. It can't be measured, but I believe shooting percentages are a lot higher when a proven shot maker thinks, "I'm going to shoot it now" than when that player thinks "Should I shoot it now". I believe Frankamp has spent some serious time in the "Should I shoot it now" frame of mind. That's something he never had to deal with before he hit D1. It's a skill he never had to develop before he hit D1.

[Play Angry]

Ah, that is a reasonable take. I'm sure you could understand how someone could interpret your statement of:

Conner is struggling enough without the pressure of being a top-50 recruit being hyped in the national media. CF may have been overrated coming out of HS. I think the difficulty of living up to his HS hype has seriously diminished his college game.

Once Conner can accept in his own mind that he can be a killer D1 role player, instead of needing to be "the guy" I think his shots will start falling with better frequency.

...as you stating he is struggling (since that's the verbatim quote) with maybe juuuuuuuuust a tinge of negativity here and there, and that was the specific assertion addressed above by noting his shots are, in fact, falling with better frequency.

[im4wsu]

I missed where anybody was arguing the points to which you claim to be responding in the conversation at hand. Can you point them out real quick?

No, I can't go back and read all of the game thresads of this season and some into last season. This is just the impression I get from reading, but I am over 70 years old, so CRS might have slipped into this.

]Statistics can cut many ways. Since facts are facts, it is interesting to note that, per KenPomF has the second highest Offensive Rating on the team (122.0), trailing only Landry (125.7). Certainly a far more developed and useful metric than simple shooting percentages with no qualifying threshold for sample size. Interestingly, his usage percentage indicates that he has embraced the exact opposite role of being the "go to guy" and has a shot utilization rate well below average. If anything, he is distributing too much based on his efficiency.

Sports-reference shows in all games CF behind Reaves, Shamet, Simon, McDuffie and Nurger in Offensive Rating. In conference games, the order is Bush, Shamet, Barney, Nurger, McDuffie, Reaves and Conner. This is NOT to disparage Conner in any way, it is what it is. Conner is not pretending to be a go-to guy, and that is a good thing. As I stated earlier, Conner, Austin, Landry and Daishon should catch the pass with the intention to shoot anytime the shot clock is 15 or lower; if not a good pass/catch or if guarded, whip it to the next guy.

I am also on neither "team Conner" nor "team Daishon" and find the fact that certain posters must qualify or object to any deserved praise of a player's performance utterly retarded and embarrassing.

[ShockingButTrue]

There seems to be a tendency, perhaps even eagerness, to read something negative into any post that isn't hyperbole.

It seems to be an omnipresent Shockernet.net idiosyncrasy at times. I think I've been caught up a time or two.

[proshox]

CF's percentage will continue to improve as other guys stop taking poor shots.

He makes the right pass which sticks out on this squad.

[Cdizzle]

CF's percentage will continue to improve as other guys stop taking poor shots.

He makes the right pass which sticks out on this squad.

His shooting percentage? Or his usage percentage? Or some other percentage?

[proshox]

His shooting percentage? Or his usage percentage? Or some other percentage?

All of the above... his usage will go up and his shooting percentage will go up. Bad shots

[Cdizzle]

All of the above... his usage will go up and his shooting percentage will go up. Bad shots

Frankamp's shooting percentage will go up because other players stop taking bad shots?

[bighouse]

Mark Adams bugs me, but he was correct when he said about ZB "But coach i was wide open.....yes there is a reason you were wide open" The only shots i want ZB taking at this point are dunk, he freaking air balled a layup for Christs sake!

[LandStander]

Conner is struggling enough without the pressure of being a top-50 recruit being hyped in the national media. CF may have been overrated coming out of HS. I think the difficulty of living up to his HS hype has seriously diminished his college game.

Once Conner can accept in his own mind that he can be a killer D1 role player, instead of needing to be "the guy" I think his shots will start falling with better frequency.

I only mention Connor in reference of how that article under valued our recruiting efforts by listing Landry as a 3 star and not even mentioning Connor. If Kentucky had a 5 star recruit that was struggling I still believe they would mention they were a 5 star recruit

[WSUwatcher]

I'll add that WSU is shooting .416 from 3 in Valley play. Without Zack, they are .466. Way too many other better options are almost always on the floor.

That's a pretty remarkable discrepancy. When one guy canb drag down a team's percentage .050 all by himself, he needs to spend some time in the gym working on his stroke before he starts firing with abandon in games.

[Dan]

Mark Adams bugs me, but he was correct when he said about ZB "But coach i was wide open.....yes there is a reason you were wide open" The only shots i want ZB taking at this point are dunk, he freaking air balled a layup for Christs sake!

Zach is going through the same issue Cotton went through. He needs to hit the gym and get more shots up. For whatever reason, they just aren't falling and he needs to fix it at practice not in games.

[bighouse]

Zach is going through the same issue Cotton went through. He needs to hit the gym and get more shots up. For whatever reason, they just aren't falling and he needs to fix it at practice not in games.

Hopefully he has the same grit as TC because if he is shooting it well we will be a different level.