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  • He's shooting 45%+ from 3FG during Valley play and is up to ~38% on the season from 3FG. His trajectory is excellent and my only hope is that he keeps it up.

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    • Originally posted by Aargh View Post
      Conner is struggling enough without the pressure of being a top-50 recruit being hyped in the national media. CF may have been overrated coming out of HS. I think the difficulty of living up to his HS hype has seriously diminished his college game.

      Once Conner can accept in his own mind that he can be a killer D1 role player, instead of needing to be "the guy" I think his shots will start falling with better frequency.
      Are you saying he's been a slow learner? Happy to see his shots begin to fall, hope they continue to. If the shot clock is below 15 seconds, all of CF, AR and LS need to catch the ball anticipating to shoot, if it's not there, whip it to the next guy.
      "I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
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      Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
      "We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".

      A physician called into a radio show and said:
      "That's the definition of a stool sample."

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      • Originally posted by Play Angry View Post
        He's shooting 45%+ from 3FG during Valley play and is up to ~38% on the season from 3FG. His trajectory is excellent and my only hope is that he keeps it up.
        Yeep, it's good that he's moving up the charts in 3-pt%, 7th best on the team in conference games and 8th in all games.
        "I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
        ---------------------------------------
        Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
        "We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".

        A physician called into a radio show and said:
        "That's the definition of a stool sample."

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        • Originally posted by im4wsu View Post
          Yeep, it's good that he's moving up the charts in 3-pt%, 7th best on the team in conference games and 8th in all games.
          . It's a marathon. Zach and Daishon probably look pretty good in overall % but I don't necessarily want them firing away right now.

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          • It's slightly disconcerting that Brown continues to fire up poor, ill-advised shots at this point in the season. At this point, something needs to be said because it ends up being an untracked turnover.
            Deuces Valley.
            ... No really, deuces.
            ________________
            "Enjoy the ride."

            - a smart man

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            • Originally posted by ShockerFever View Post
              It's slightly disconcerting that Brown continues to fire up poor, ill-advised shots at this point in the season. At this point, something needs to be said because it ends up being an untracked turnover.
              Zack is 4-25 from 3 in Valley play including 0-5 and 1-5.

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              • I'll add that WSU is shooting .416 from 3 in Valley play. Without Zack, they are .466. Way too many other better options are almost always on the floor.

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                • Originally posted by ShockTalk View Post
                  I'll add that WSU is shooting .416 from 3 in Valley play. Without Zack, they are .466. Way too many other better options are almost always on the floor.
                  Exactly. And that's the point. His role doesn't need to be jacking up 3's and driving erratically into the lane. His role is primarily on the defensive end of the floor.
                  Deuces Valley.
                  ... No really, deuces.
                  ________________
                  "Enjoy the ride."

                  - a smart man

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                  • Originally posted by Aargh View Post
                    Conner is struggling enough without the pressure of being a top-50 recruit being hyped in the national media. CF may have been overrated coming out of HS. I think the difficulty of living up to his HS hype has seriously diminished his college game.

                    Once Conner can accept in his own mind that he can be a killer D1 role player, instead of needing to be "the guy" I think his shots will start falling with better frequency.
                    Watching him play I don't get the impression he wants to be "the guy". He seems to be more than willing to pass and defer to others. Also seems like a lot of the criticism directed at him is that he defers too much.

                    I'm curious what you see differently or if this is based on some deeper insight on the subject besides just watching the games.

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                    • Originally posted by ShockerFever View Post
                      Exactly. And that's the point. His role doesn't need to be jacking up 3's and driving erratically into the lane. His role is primarily on the defensive end of the floor.
                      He needs to be a threat on offense but he often tries to do too many things that aren't in his skill set IMO. He should definitely drive and shoot when the opportunity arises within the flow of the offense but please don't try to force the issue especially off the bounce.

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                      • Marshall has said many times that he would like Conner to look for his shot more often. I'm not sure he will ever be "the guy", but he can sure as hell be the guy that draws so much attention that he opens up things for others.
                        Its a good landing if you can walk away, its a great landing if the plane can be reused the next day.

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                        • Originally posted by im4wsu View Post
                          Yeep, it's good that he's moving up the charts in 3-pt%, 7th best on the team in conference games and 8th in all games.
                          Whew, I was afraid you wouldn't reach your quota today. Hes4WSU, just not Frankamp. I'm only slightly joking.

                          Also, I would expect you of all people to recognize not all % are created equal. Nurger, Shaq, and Rashard have attempted 38 threes combined. Frankamp has 85.

                          But hey, if the stats say Rashard is a better three point shooter it must true.

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                          • Originally posted by Dan View Post
                            . It's a marathon. Zach and Daishon probably look pretty good in overall % but I don't necessarily want them firing away right now.
                            Zach, shooting 32% overall and 16% in conference, isn't ahead of Conner.
                            Smith, overall 40.8% and in conference 40% is consistent.
                            Conner passed Landry when considering only conference games, but Landry still is 39% overall and 43% in conference.
                            "I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
                            ---------------------------------------
                            Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
                            "We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".

                            A physician called into a radio show and said:
                            "That's the definition of a stool sample."

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                            • Originally posted by pie n eye View Post
                              Whew, I was afraid you wouldn't reach your quota today. Hes4WSU, just not Frankamp. I'm only slightly joking.

                              Also, I would expect you of all people to recognize not all % are created equal. Nurger, Shaq, and Rashard have attempted 38 threes combined. Frankamp has 85.

                              But hey, if the stats say Rashard is a better three point shooter it must true.
                              I've got no beef with Conner, just those on here who belive

                              (1) he is the savior for this team
                              (2) he is so fragile that the crowd's expectations have ruined his ability
                              (3) that 1.5 years in the program isn't long enough to get in the groove.

                              I still believe that he is a good player, probably out of position at point guard in this system. Wish he was three-four inches taller as a shooting guard.

                              I like Conner a lot, just don't believe he will be the guy that many think he is in their dreams.

                              Oh, I just looked at the stat sheet, not attempting to cherry-pick any particular items. Facts are facts, spin them as you wish.
                              "I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
                              ---------------------------------------
                              Remember when Nancy Pelosi said about Obamacare:
                              "We have to pass it, to find out what's in it".

                              A physician called into a radio show and said:
                              "That's the definition of a stool sample."

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                              • Originally posted by im4wsu View Post
                                I've got no beef with Conner, just those on here who belive

                                (1) he is the savior for this team
                                (2) he is so fragile that the crowd's expectations have ruined his ability
                                (3) that 1.5 years in the program isn't long enough to get in the groove.

                                I still believe that he is a good player, probably out of position at point guard in this system. Wish he was three-four inches taller as a shooting guard.

                                I like Conner a lot, just don't believe he will be the guy that many think he is in their dreams.

                                Oh, I just looked at the stat sheet, not attempting to cherry-pick any particular items. Facts are facts, spin them as you wish.
                                I missed where anybody was arguing the points to which you claim to be responding in the conversation at hand. Can you point them out real quick?

                                What I did see, however, was an assertion that Conner's poor recent performance is attributable to an unwillingness to accept his role on the team and continued insistence to be the "go to guy." This was disputed by pointing out that his performance has been trending upward for a month now.

                                Statistics can cut many ways. Since facts are facts, it is interesting to note that, per KenPom, CF has the second highest Offensive Rating on the team (122.0), trailing only Landry (125.7). Certainly a far more developed and useful metric than simple shooting percentages with no qualifying threshold for sample size. Interestingly, his usage percentage indicates that he has embraced the exact opposite role of being the "go to guy" and has a shot utilization rate well below average. If anything, he is distributing too much based on his efficiency.

                                I am also on neither "team Conner" nor "team Daishon" and find the fact that certain posters must qualify or object to any deserved praise of a player's performance utterly retarded and embarrassing.

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