Selection Sunday Thread

[fansince80s]

My point is if the at larges have better resumes than the auto bids, then in effect you're penalizing the 11 seed even though they're higher on the S curve. What I'm advocating is that after the S curve has been determined, make #60-68 play the play-in rounds. If we're truly trying to get the best teams in the tourney, then this methodology makes the most sense. If all we want is to just make small conference auto bids the sacrificial lambs to higher seeds, then by all means continue the current system.

Why not select a s-curve seed them accordingly and who cares about same conf vs each other and all that stuff. Just let the seeds fall where they may.

[fansince80s]

Why not select a s-curve seed them accordingly and who cares about same conf vs each other and all that stuff. Just let the seeds fall where they may.

If someone had the time to put a bracket together with the seed list it would be cool to see how it would look.

[wusphlash]

Go back to 64. Who was the genius who first suggested "let's increase the tournament to 68".?

Some might say we wouldn't be in otherwise. I think the committee found a "safe" place to put us and our polarizing resume rather than having to actually debate the merits of our inclusion. Dayton was always the easy way out. 64 or 128 makes a lot more sense.

[kochHead]

Go back to 64. Who was the genius who first suggested "let's increase the tournament to 68".?

Some might say we wouldn't be in otherwise. I think the committee found a "safe" place to put us and our polarizing resume rather than having to actually debate the merits of our inclusion. Dayton was always the easy way out. 64 or 128 makes a lot more sense.

There are 337 D1 teams. If you do a 128 team tournament you would have 38% of the teams make the field. It's not crazy if you consider that in most pro sports you have around 33% of teams make it. It would be one extra game, but it would take any prestige out of making the tournament.

[wusphlash]

There are 337 D1 teams. If you do a 128 team tournament you would have 38% of the teams make the field. It's not crazy if you consider that in most pro sports you have around 33% of teams make it. It would be one extra game, but it would take any prestige out of making the tournament.

Fine, go back to 64. Just get rid of 68. Kinda like a beautiful girl with a wart on the end of her nose. Makes it hard to see her inner beauty.

[ShockCrazy]

There are 337 D1 teams. If you do a 128 team tournament you would have 38% of the teams make the field. It's not crazy if you consider that in most pro sports you have around 33% of teams make it. It would be one extra game, but it would take any prestige out of making the tournament.

The most I could ever be OK with is 96(even then I'm not sure) and you do it like this:
32 Regular Season Champs
32 Tourney Champs
32 At-Large

I thought about making regular season champs the byes but I'm more sure that's the best way to go.

[OregonShocker]

I vote for 64. Each conference gets two automatic bids: one reg season and one tourney champ. If a conference has the same, then an "at large" opens up. This does several things; places value on reg season, and allows a "late bloomer" a chance via tournament. Also, it keeps power conferences from getting special consideration. I know it will never happen, but I can dream. As an alternative, I like a rule keeping 0.500 conference teams out; if you're an "average" team in your conference, no matter how good your conference is, you shouldn't be in the dance.

[im4wsu]

I vote for 64. Each conference gets two automatic bids: one reg season and one tourney champ. If a conference has the same, then an "at large" opens up. This does several things; places value on reg season, and allows a "late bloomer" a chance via tournament. Also, it keeps power conferences from getting special consideration. I know it will never happen, but I can dream. As an alternative, I like a rule keeping 0.500 conference teams out; if you're an "average" team in your conference, no matter how good your conference is, you shouldn't be in the dance.

There were 5 at-large teams this year that had .500 or worse records in conference including tournament, Oregon St, Pittsburgh and USC were each 9-9 and 1-1 in the conference tournament. Syracuse and Texas Tech were 9-9 and 0-1 in the conference tournament.

Austin Peay and Holy Cross were auto-bids that were sub .500 in conference. Austin Peay was 7-9 and went 4-0 in the tourney, thus avoiding a .500 rule. Holy Cross was 5-13 in conference play and also went 4-0 in the tourney.

[im4wsu]

The 68 NCAA teams have
1599-630 (.717) record in all games
828-378 (687) record in conference games
930-151 (.860) record in Home games
431-380 (.531) record in away games
238- 99 (.706) record in neutral games

Source, Sportsreference -- not sure the numbers are totally accurate, but this gives a general idea.

The p-5 conferences had the following records:

all games 500-189 (.730)
Conf. gm 244-134 (.646)
Home gm 322- 35 (.902)
Away gm 104-114 (.477)
Neutral 74- 40 (.649)

[wusphlash]

Kentucky AD supports Cal with call for more NCAA transparency.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14974139/mitch-barnhart-kentucky-wildcats-calls-more-ncaa-tournament-selection-transparency

[Shocker Mama]

So, seven Big 12 teams in. Any bets on how many get to the second round?

[Dave Stalwart]

So, seven Big 12 teams in. Any bets on how many get to the second round?

3 maybe 4 is my guess. I think OU, WVU, KU will but I can't guarantee any of the others will get out of the first round alive.

And I predict that 1 will reach the E8 and none will win the title. :).....but a team from Kansas will.

[shoxlax]

Just get rid of the conference tournaments in the one and two bid leagues. The stands are empty anyway in most cases.

The result of these tournaments often is someone who actually has a chance of winning a game like Monmouth and Valpo get left out costing the conference some serious money.

[forevershockerfan]

Folk were telling me we were Not getting in this Dance. Not enough quality wins they said. If snubbed, our blood pressure would have been like a pressure cooker on high throttle with the Christmas goose followed by some possible coagulating as the blue sky would suddenly not be blue as it would be falling.
While we hoped for a better slot, the Shocks are in and can wake up some people.

[shoxlax]

Great read here:

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/Pitt/2016/03/14/Paul-Zeise-s-NCAA-basketball-tournament-chat-3-14-16/stories/201603140134