Bad bet

[proshox]

Playing Fred this week provided little upside and tons of long term risk. Losing this game without Fred is one thing, but losing this game and watching him hobble around was painful.

We need to shut him down until he is 100%.

[choida]

i really dont understand why we cant afford to let Fred rest...he needs a good 7-10 days off ...he shouldnt have played against Charleston Southern or Tulsa and of course doesnt need to play against Emporia either...just debut at the Advocare Tourney would have sufficed...but coulda woulda shoulda...

[ShockdaWorld]

No gym time outside of whirlpools and ice baths until Orlando Mr. VV. Unless you're just shooting free throws and having someone else shag balls for you.

[asiseeit]

Totally agree. I know they are trying to groom RB as an NBA PG but I'd employ JRS until
FVV heals up. TT not the answer until he learns how to run the team instead of just
creating for himself.

[RoyalShock]

Totally agree. I know they are trying to groom RB as an NBA PG but I'd employ JRS until
FVV heals up. TT not the answer until he learns how to run the team instead of just
creating for himself.

JRS would be fine with limited time against the right opponent, but with guards like Tulsa's he'll get chewed up, spit out and stomped on for good measure.

[wufan]

JRS would be fine with limited time against the right opponent, but with guards like Tulsa's he'll get chewed up, spit out and stomped on for good measure.

Yep. Remember that Taylor looked like the second coming against CSU. Not so much against Tulsa.

[Ol skool]

I'm concerned about vanvleet. A pulled Hammie ain't no joke. And it takes time to heal. Never should have taking the floor before full recovery. i Hope him tweaking it again doesn't mean a complete start over in rehab. Players got to be honest coaches got to be smart

[ShockdaWorld]

I hadn't heard he tweaked it again. I know he was slow last night, but hadn't heard if that was a result of the ankle or the hammy, or some combination of both and lack of practice time. I hope he sits until he's 100%. I also hope that 100% happens before Orlando. If it's not, I still believe getting his hammie heeled up is more important than that trophy.

[SHOXAAC]

I hadn't heard he tweaked it again. I know he was slow last night, but hadn't heard if that was a result of the ankle or the hammy, or some combination of both and lack of practice time. I hope he sits until he's 100%. I also hope that 100% happens before Orlando. If it's not, I still believe getting his hammie heeled up is more important than that trophy.

Fred himself said tweak.

[ShockdaWorld]

Fred himself said tweak.

He said he tweaked his hammie last night? I hadn't heard that. If that's the case, he needs to just be completely shut down.

[Stickboy46]

No gym time outside of whirlpools and ice baths until Orlando Mr. VV. Unless you're just shooting free throws and having someone else shag balls for you.

I want him in the gym .... right beside Marshall. The only exercise he should be doing is exercising his vocal cords yelling at the Freshmen about what they need to do to get better.

[Kochaddict]

http://shockernet.net/forum/showthread.php?13186-Fred-Van-Vleet-a-Shocker-Star&p=597269&viewfull=1#post597269

[LandStander]

It's his senior year. If he wants to play I understand. We can say to rest him because March is more important but there are no gaurantees. We can rest him for 2 months, he comes back 100% and an even worse injury happens. It sucks to watch but it's his body and we have to respect whatever descision he makes.

[SHOXAAC]

I'm concerned about vanvleet. A pulled Hammie ain't no joke. And it takes time to heal. Never should have taking the floor before full recovery. i Hope him tweaking it again doesn't mean a complete start over in rehab. Players got to be honest coaches got to be smart

Players will always want to play. You just have to avoid being Terry Collins. Last night Gregg was Terry Collins. It happens to the best of them. In this case however it could cause, arguably, the best player in the country to be out for a greater amount of time than if he would have allowed complete recovery beyond a reasonable doubt prior to last night.

With that said, RB will be forced to play significant minutes at PG. Frankamp will be needed as backup when he becomes eligible. TT will get opportunities to develop as well. Also, Shamet is capable in the right situations to log time there as well. All is not lost. Fred will be Fred again...it just probably won't be for a few games. On the other hand I also hold out hope that he woke up this morning and his hammy is 100% recovered.

[SHOXAAC]

It's his senior year. If he wants to play I understand. We can say to rest him because March is more important but there are no gaurantees. We can rest him for 2 months, he comes back 100% and an even worse injury happens. It sucks to watch but it's his body and we have to respect whatever descision he makes.

I will respect decisions that aren't about him, but about the team.