Games of Interest (2015-16 Edition)

[wusphlash]

#18 Texas A&M getting owned by Arizona St. Make room boys, we're coming back.

[ShockerPrez]

Watching the replay of the Mo State Ok State game and am just so damn envious of that major college basketball atmosphere in Stillwater.

[Shocker-maniac]

OH MAN. The Blow Jay Bandwagon's wheels are gonna come off now.

Valley > BIG EAST.

Get owned, sCUm. Hahahahahahahahaha. Enjoy the continued ride to irrelevance.

The thing I find interesting about this is that the excuse coming from Omaha the past couple years is that the reason they have not performed well in the BE is that they were still using MVC level talent. Well, here they are in their third year of BE, yet they can't beat a mid-level MVC team that is down a starter due to injury. I wonder what kind of excuse they will come up with next?

[ShockerFever]

The thing I find interesting about this is that the excuse coming from Omaha the past couple years is that the reason they have not performed well in the BE is that they were still using MVC level talent. Well, here they are in their third year of BE, yet they can't beat a mid-level MVC team that is down a starter due to injury. I wonder what kind of excuse they will come up with next?

The simple truth is that the BIG EAST isn't that much higher up from a traditional Valley. They definitely aren't a major conference. While they're are a few good programs in there that do get higher-level athletes, Creighton is not one of them. A recruit isn't going to pick Creighton simply because they are in the conference. That's what their dumbass fans don't understand. They're never going to win a guy to Omaha, Nebraska when there's so many better schools/cities in the league.

They simply aren't a good basketball school. Their fans are all fluff. Their core fanbase only comprises about 1000 or so. This will be the second year of the Creighton exposed tour.

[Sinistral]

The simple truth is that the BIG EAST isn't that much higher up from a traditional Valley. They definitely aren't a major conference. While they're are a few good programs in there that do get higher-level athletes, Creighton is not one of them. A recruit isn't going to pick Creighton simply because they are in the conference. That's what their dumbass fans don't understand. They're never going to win a guy to Omaha, Nebraska when there's so many better schools/cities in the league.

They simply aren't a good basketball school. Their fans are all fluff. Their core fanbase only comprises about 1000 or so. This will be the second year of the Creighton exposed tour.

I think the gap from MVC and BE is a lot wider than you think. Their top four have considerably better teams than us most years, and not so much better than us this year. Honestly I like the four teams in the MVC that could hang with WSU, but the top four of BE could walk all over MVC's 5 best. I agree that I have no idea why you'd choose the blue jays, but I'd much rather be in the BE than the MVC as an athlete. The BE is amazing. Go Hoyas.

[ShockerFever]

I think the gap from MVC and BE is a lot wider than you think. Their top four have considerably better teams than us most years, and not so much better than us this year. Honestly I like the four teams in the MVC that could hang with WSU, but the top four of BE could walk all over MVC's 5 best. I agree that I have no idea why you'd choose the blue jays, but I'd much rather be in the BE than the MVC as an athlete. The BE is amazing. Go Hoyas.

Um, ok?

The BIG EAST could walk all over WSU? LOL, no. I can tell there's too much Lawrence in you already with that post.

[wufan]

The simple truth is that the BIG EAST isn't that much higher up from a traditional Valley. They definitely aren't a major conference. While they're are a few good programs in there that do get higher-level athletes, Creighton is not one of them. A recruit isn't going to pick Creighton simply because they are in the conference. That's what their dumbass fans don't understand. They're never going to win a guy to Omaha, Nebraska when there's so many better schools/cities in the league.

They simply aren't a good basketball school. Their fans are all fluff. Their core fanbase only comprises about 1000 or so. This will be the second year of the Creighton exposed tour.

It's always fun to bash Creighton, but I disagree with this. The Big Eas is quite a bit better than the MVC with more good teams at the top and in the middle.

As to a player picking a school because they are in a certain conference, don't people constantly gripe about that in the recruiting forum? Things are said such as; 'I guess he'd rather play good competition than play for a good program'. The reverse is also true when those same people say, 'Can't believe he picked upper Midwest state university of middle somewhere USA when he could have been a Shocker.' While perhaps you are not one of the posters that says this, it obviously is important to many or forum members wouldn't constantly be hoping to join a different conference.

Bottom line is that either conference affiliation is important or it isn't. There are plenty of things to bash the Bluejays on, but why on earth would you choose to throw stones at the Big East from the glass house that is the MVC?

[ShockerFever]

The Valley sucks this year. Of course they're not better overall than the BIG EAST. But the BIG EAST is certainly not a major player. They're a high-end mid-major.

Why do I bash the BIG EAST? That's easy. Because I can.

[Sinistral]

The Valley sucks this year. Of course they're not better overall than the BIG EAST. But the BIG EAST is certainly not a major player. They're a high-end mid-major.

Why do I bash the BIG EAST? That's easy. Because I can.

What do you consider a major player? BE sends 6 teams to NCAA last year, 3 before that, and 5 before that. I like the MVC chances of sending three this year, but it's a stretch and certainly out of historical comparison. I'm partial to the BE because I appreciate good basketball.

[ShockerFever]

What do you consider a major player? BE sends 6 teams to NCAA last year, 3 before that, and 5 before that. I like the MVC chances of sending three this year, but it's a stretch and certainly out of historical comparison. I'm partial to the BE because I appreciate good basketball.

Apparently you don't appreciate the postseason then.

[Sinistral]

Apparently you don't appreciate the postseason then.

The conversation quickly changed from BE and the MVC to me. But sure Fever, I understand you're need to feel right. BE usually doesn't get very far in the tourney. They choke, sadly. I am simply saying the BE is objectively superior than the MVC. Please don't change the argument from that to me.

[ShockerFever]

The conversation quickly changed from BE and the MVC to me. But sure Fever, I understand you're need to feel right. BE usually doesn't get very far in the tourney. They choke, sadly. I am simply saying the BE is objectively superior than the MVC. Please don't change the argument from that to me.

Where did I say they weren't? You're the one that's now making stuff up.

I said the BIG EAST is not significantly higher than a traditional Valley. This year is not a traditional Valley as the Valley sucks. The BIG EAST is probably playing over their heads a little bit thus far too.

My main point, which what I was going for, is the BIG EAST is not a power conference. They are not in the same league as the other 5. On a lot of levels. Period.

Shall we continue?

[wufan]

Where did I say they weren't? You're the one that's now making stuff up.

I said the BIG EAST is not significantly higher than a traditional Valley. This year is not a traditional Valley as the Valley sucks. The BIG EAST is probably playing over their heads a little bit thus far too.

My main point, which what I was going for, is the BIG EAST is not a power conference. They are not in the same league as the other 5. On a lot of levels. Period.

Shall we continue?

What is a traditional Valley? We sent four teams one year...Since Creighton left, we have sent a total of three. The Big East has averaged four. They are significantly better as a whole than the MVC. They have been better since the realignment, and better historically. They are closer to a P5 in terms of success than they are to the Valley.

[ShockerFever]

What is a traditional Valley? We sent four teams one year...Since Creighton left, we have sent a total of three. The Big East has averaged four. They are significantly better as a whole than the MVC. They have been better since the realignment, and better historically. They are closer to a P5 in terms of success than they are to the Valley.

A conference RPI that's in the Top 10.

They've been better since realignment? Are you kidding me? In what regard,... TV coverage? LOL.

Bids aren't the best way to measure conference aptitude. The committee is too screwy a lot of the time and they've gotten their fair share of bubble bids that sway the results.

Your last sentence makes it insinuate that I've said something different. Can you please find me that post in which I've stated something differently?

The BIG EAST sucks and I'm not envious of it. There are some good programs in it, like Nova, G-town, Xavier, and Butler. After that, meh. The previous BIG EAST was a major conference. No doubt about that.

[Dave Stalwart]

It will take a while for people to figure out that the current big east is not at all what the former big east was. I think the big east going forward is going to be a high mid major conference and the MVC will be right behind that along with other upper mid majors like the MWC and WCC. It depends on the year but these conferences are generally right there in the 8-12 conference RPI range. The current big east has had a good run to get started but they lost a lot in realignment. Became very much closer to mid major than a power conference for sure. The MVC is not that much worse, although it is admittedly worse, no doubt. WSU has been carrying this conference through some of its worst seasons in recent times. If a few MVC teams can get rolling again at the same time, there will be years in the near future that the MVC finishes neck and neck if not higher than the big east.