Shocker Madness?

[ShockerFever]

You guys miss an obvious point. If Coach wanted this to be a big event it would be a big event. He apparently doesn't. This is not due to lazy AD staff. Quit bashing when it is not their doing or not doing. I am happy to at least get this first look at the new players and the development of returners. Let it be what it is intended to be. A public scrimmage.

So whose fault is it that gives the public a 7 day notice of the event?

[forevershockerfan]

How many are usually in the 3-pt contest? I'd also like to see Brown and McDuffie in it.

On the 3 point contest, my buddy and I seem to remember there might have been 8 in. If that be true, maybe we would see 1.Baker 2. FVV 3.Wessel 4. Frankamp 5.Nurger 6. Brown 6. McDuffie 7. Taylor 8.Kelly(since he shoots up 500 various shots a day anywho)

On the dunk contest I am guessing 4. 1.Shamet (don't think they will allow him in both contests? dunno.) 2.Grady 3.Hamilton 4. Bush

Thus, these are only projected possibilities. With that said, we have those thinking Frankamp or Baker will win the 3-point contest but who might surprise us, get smokin got, and win? Wessel may have taken 2nd last Season but if he thinks he is playing against KU again in his creative mindset--watch out. And we never ever count out FVV who made the 25' dagger shot versus the Zags as a Freshman with the whole world watching.

How about a dunk contest without Cotton? Hmmmm!! A few of us picked Shamet, but who might impress the judges with some fancy/smancy or exclamation mark dunks? Maybe Taylor or McDuffie will get in the dunk contest? Ideas?

[jcdshocker]

You guys miss an obvious point. If Coach wanted this to be a big event it would be a big event. He apparently doesn't. This is not due to lazy AD staff. Quit bashing when it is not their doing or not doing. I am happy to at least get this first look at the new players and the development of returners. Let it be what it is intended to be. A public scrimmage.

[rjl]

Shocker Madness counts as a practice. Marshall hates giving up a real practice to have a coached pickup game scrimmage.

Under Marshall, Shocker Madness doesn't take priority over getting the team ready for the season, so (apparently) it's viewed as a necessary evil. There's no need to promote the team to the public to sell tickets.

The team can still practice on a weekend and the public can still have more than two-week's notice of when that practice is.

There are a lot more reasons to promote a team other than ticket sales. Ticket sales are the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the revenue a college basketball team can generate.

[rjl]

I must have missed where the Shockers play all of their games on weekends.

Apples and oranges. Shocker Madness is a singular event that can be placed on any night of the week.

I can attend a weekend game when they occur. I can never attend a weeknight Shocker Madness.

[WstateU]

I wonder if Carl Hall taking it to Toure ever had a big deal with the seemingly perpetual decline in Shocker Madness. I say seemingly perpetual because I remember Gregg's first year here I think it was, and they flew Wu in on a military helicopter with the game ball, and the players came out with no lights, a spotlight, and a fog machine. Or maybe I dreamt that up?

Was this the event that Greg ‘no hit man’ Williams MC’d? I think that was the last Shocker Madness I attended; a totally embarrassing production at best. Shocker Madness always left a bad taste in my mouth. I would anxiously anticipate attending and often left deflated. I’d rather attend an organized 40 minute ‘men’s scrimmage with player introductions without all the hoopla. I don’t need to see a dunk contest or 3 point shooting exhibition. Yes, I’m probably showing my age a little. :)

[ShockdaWorld]

I'm fine with it not being a big overhyped deal, but I'd like to be able to go just to get a chance to see the new guys, get a feel for the team chemistry, etc.

[BostonWu]

Perhaps the program's most crucial decision maker(s) don't see this superficial event as a big deal. I'm obviously in the minority on this but if they/him feel that way then I'm fine with it.

[_kai_]

I wonder if Carl Hall taking it to Toure ever had a big deal with the seemingly perpetual decline in Shocker Madness. I say seemingly perpetual because I remember Gregg's first year here I think it was, and they flew Wu in on a military helicopter with the game ball, and the players came out with no lights, a spotlight, and a fog machine. Or maybe I dreamt that up?

[ArtVandalay]

I for one would like to attend Shocker Madness and have wanted to the last several years, but like the other comments, the late notice for a Thursday night at 6 or 7 event has made it difficult.

Do we want to be like the "major" programs? Maybe we don't. Everyone in college basketball has heard of Late Night at the Phog, Countdown to Craziness, Big Blue Madness, etc. These often get TV attention and attention from recruits.

We are not those programs, but to me, I ask the question, would we want potential recruits or the national media at Shocker Madness in its current state? I'd venture to guess that would be a "no." So, while we don't have the history and National Championships of the "blue bloods", I certainly think we have one of if not the best fan base/arena/atmospheres in the NCAA, and feel Shocker Madness could/should showcase this.

[ShockdaWorld]

-much like that school to the northeast of us.

This statement, based on it's own merits makes me think we shouldn't have it at all. The less we can be like those bubble boys, the better.

Edit: Yes, that was at least partially sarcastic.

[ShockerGorilla]

Personally, I don't understand the correlation that has been made between Shocker Madness and regular season games by some in the thread. Totally apples and oranges, at least from my perspective.

That's my point. It shouldn't be apples & oranges. It should have the same interest as a regular season game, where the students wait outside for hours to get the best seat--much like that school to the northeast of us.

[SHOCKvalue]

Personally, I don't understand the correlation that has been made between Shocker Madness and regular season games by some in the thread. Totally apples and oranges, at least from my perspective.

Big time programs have big time preseason shows for their fans, almost without exclusion. I'm not sure if I would say we are "big time" quite yet (next rung down perhaps), but Shocker Madness is not even an impressive event from a non-P5 perspective. It is honestly an embarrassment to the otherwise impressive state of the program.

Sadly, I think we have a lot of people employed by the WSU AD that are simply around to collect a check. I'm not sure when AD leadership will change such that this will end, but there are several things about the WSU athletic department that are low-major style, and the WSU AD corporate status quo seems perfectly okay with that.

[pinstripers]

I think the other issue may be the short time between when they say it is and when it is. We know months ahead of time when games will be. This is a week or so. Makes it a little more difficult.

Agree 100%. really halfassed

[ShockerEngineer]

I think the other issue may be the short time between when they say it is and when it is. We know months ahead of time when games will be. This is a week or so. Makes it a little more difficult.

Bingo.. Speaking from personal experience, I'm a lot less likely to go to something right after work, on a weekday, on relatively short notice.