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Originally posted by WSUwatcher View PostGood point, Shockda. I said Brown was thin-skinned for the way he handled the Twitter harassment, and I think he was -- best just to ignore that kind of foolishness. But I agree with you that harassing someone on his own Twitter account is over the line, and it should not have happened no matter how angry someone was about his play. This is just one of the many reasons I don't have a Twitter account, have never retweeted (actually, I don't know if I even can, and don't care enough to find out), and don't anticipate that I'll ever do any of the foregoing (as we lawyers would say).
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Brown probably has never been taught how to play point guard. He was probably the star on his HS team and the star on his college team, Siena. He never had to share the ball and probably had to carry the team most of the time. The blame should rest on the shoulders of the coaches. They are the ones that decided they didn't need any true point guards to run the team. There's probably 100 guys playing in Europe that are better point guards thaan Bobby Brown, let alone FVV who was actually invited to try out.
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Originally posted by Dan View PostBrown probably has never been taught how to play point guard. He was probably the star on his HS team and the star on his college team, Siena. He never had to share the ball and probably had to carry the team most of the time. The blame should rest on the shoulders of the coaches. They are the ones that decided they didn't need any true point guards to run the team. There's probably 100 guys playing in Europe that are better point guards thaan Bobby Brown, let alone FVV who was actually invited to try out."I not sure that I've ever been around a more competitive player or young man than Fred VanVleet. I like to win more than 99.9% of the people in this world, but he may top me." -- Gregg Marshall 12/23/13 :peaceful:
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Originally posted by Dan View PostI agree, but the coaches left him in the game and continued to let him have the starring role."You Don't Have to Play a Perfect Game. Your Best is Good Enough."
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When the shot clock got short, Brown's value as a creator was clearly evident. The problem was that he often created the situation by not making passes to players in a better position than his own to score. One other issue I saw is that in the offense Few installed, Ron's role was too often to just run to the corner or low wing and stand there. Then if he was supposed to cut it was to the weak side and the pass went to the strong side. Ron was far better coming off of screens or receiving kick-outs on the high wing.
The combination of Brown and the offense really kept Ron from being as effective as he could have been.
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Great thread, lots of strong points raised, and some weak ones too.
We can all agree that Ron was the best college guy on the team, most consistent at both ends of the floor. With Prince showing a lot of flash on the offensive end. Guys have brought up Tarc being less than efficient in post up situations and that is true, it's also true that, like Baker, he is used to playing with a strong, pass-first point guard. Brown is not that guy.
On Melo, it's obvious that the reason Brown played so many minutes is because the coaches did not count on Trimble being completely ineffective. That was a surprise to me and I would guess to everyone else. Trimble is being positioned as a POY candidate and a probable top-5 pick. I saw nothing in these games from his performance that makes me think that will come to pass. He is not an advanced player physically or mentally, really disappointing.
And on Brown, you can't seriously watch those games and not see him as a ball hog. I've been around long enough and played enough pick-up to know when a guy thinks he's the answer and should be taking the majority of the shots. I also know exactly what it looks like when one player is freezing out another and that's precisely what was happening here with Baker. Brown's job as a pg is to make good decisions and put his teammates in the best possible situations to succeed. Review the tape, that simply did not happen.
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Perhaps most interesting to me about this tournament was one of the main explanations around why certain guys did nor did not make the team: Versatility. Yet no one really played more than their base position (especially the guards) and the coaches basically ran the same sub patterns throughout the 5 days. Trimble clearly struggled running the point, yet he was never out there in the 2 spot along with Brown (the only other PG). Ron never was given the opportunity to run the point.
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Originally posted by ArtVandalay View PostPerhaps most interesting to me about this tournament was one of the main explanations around why certain guys did nor did not make the team: Versatility. Yet no one really played more than their base position (especially the guards) and the coaches basically ran the same sub patterns throughout the 5 days. Trimble clearly struggled running the point, yet he was never out there in the 2 spot along with Brown (the only other PG). Ron never was given the opportunity to run the point.
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Originally posted by ShockdaWorld View PostDue to his (in my opinion) lack of ability to evaluate talent, as well as his inability to coach the players into ANY direction once they were chosen, I must say I am glad Mark Few coaches a team that I don't care about.
The thing i noticed is that many of the opponents used shorter point guards. I didn't see any indication that Fred would have been a liability due to his size. That and he would have actually tried to play defense.You miss 100% of the shots you don't take....
.....but, statistically speaking, you miss 99% of the shots you do take.
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Originally posted by Steeleshocker View PostKeep in mind there are a lot more cooks in the kitchen with USA basketball. Few may have wanted FVV, but was overridden by those who thought more desirable physical attributes were required to be effective.
The thing i noticed is that many of the opponents used shorter point guards. I didn't see any indication that Fred would have been a liability due to his size. That and he would have actually tried to play defense."You Don't Have to Play a Perfect Game. Your Best is Good Enough."
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Originally posted by Art Bunch View PostOn Melo, it's obvious that the reason Brown played so many minutes is because the coaches did not count on Trimble being completely ineffective. That was a surprise to me and I would guess to everyone else. Trimble is being positioned as a POY candidate and a probable top-5 pick. I saw nothing in these games from his performance that makes me think that will come to pass. He is not an advanced player physically or mentally, really disappointing.Last edited by boltforge; July 28, 2015, 01:38 PM.
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