Offseason Thread: 2015 Edition

[ShockTalk]

Sounds like there was an exodus. Hard to blame these guys if they all left at the same time. I'll bet it wasnt so hot up there in general.

Forbes left last year, Lewis then Grady this year.

[ShockTalk]

I'd like to see the receiving school pay some kind of cost. If team A is going to benefit from a transfer like this (say WSU) who was cultivated and recruited and nurtured at another school, then School A should be forced to somehow reimburse school B (Cleveland State) for something....I'm not sure what I'd want to see, but maybe school A "gives" school B one scholarship and has to forfeit one themselves sometime in the following 2 years.

So Cleveland State gets a check from WSU and can use 1 extra scholarship (14 total) in the following 2 seasons and WSU is one short (12) in the next 2 seasons.

Just my .02.

Because of the timing, these "grad transfers" may be getting the last available scholarship. So for WSU to have gotten Grady, someone else on the WSU team would have had to lose their scholarship? And then, maybe, this shouldn't just apply to grad transfers? Maybe a Bradley should be giving up a whole stack of schollies because of all the players following their coach (I'm not saying I'm good with what happened by the way).

[Aargh]

My attitude is that if a player wants out - the player should have a way to get out. Too many players get recruited into situations that are anything but what they were sold when they signed. After they sign, the deck is pretty much stacked to discourage transfers.

Happy players don't leave the school they're playing for just because it's possible. Baker and Wessel probably could have graduated and transferred if that's what they wanted. Baker probably could have gone to Kentucky, where he's known as "a bad, bad boy".

Frankamp wasn't happy at KU. It's costing him a year and a half of self-paid tuition to change schools. That's a pretty heavy financial penalty for a student who finds themselves in an unworkable situation after they sign their LOI. The inner-city kids can't possibly afford it.

The NCAA has stacked the deck in favor of schools at the exp[ense of the athletes. Giving the players some freedom after they graduate seems like just a tiny concession to the players.

[Steeleshocker]

I say remove the one year sit out period. Or at the very least allow players who have already redshirted to play immediately so they don't lose a year.

[wufan]

I say remove the one year sit out period. Or at the very least allow players who have already redshirted to play immediately so they don't lose a year.

I'm a fan of this. Allow players a one-time transfer w/o having to sit out.

[shockmonster]

I'm a fan of this. Allow players a one-time transfer w/o having to sit out.

WOW. The abuse, tampering, and poaching of players would be rampant. Stephen Curry would never have gone more than a year or two to Davidson. As soon as P5 schools realized a recruiting mistake, they would approach that player immediately.

[Kel Varnsen]

Having no sit out time turns players into free agents and basically allows the best teams to poach players from mid- to low-major schools at will. That idea is rife with so many problems.

[Steeleshocker]

And no year sit out year means that kids can do what is in their best interest.

The other thing to consider is how many 5* recruits is Kentucky willing to skip on just so they can get a mid-major star. And if lots of transfers occur then that means lots of recruits are available that the top programs passed on for transfers.

Where I feel bad is for a guy like Derail Green to redshirt, then decide to transfer and have lost a year of eligibility. The current situation is far too skewed away from what is best for the student athlete.

Edit: Other rules can also dissuade rampant transferring. Like the mandatory home and home schedule at the option of the school losing the player. It wouldn't keep WSU from wanting Grady, but a school might think twice about taking a player from WSU our Gonzaga.

[FlyingWheat]

How about a tying minutes played to transfer eligibility. That way, little utilized guys have better ability to transfer, but the best players from teams would have to sit out a year?

[shockmonster]

How about a tying minutes played to transfer eligibility. That way, little utilized guys have better ability to transfer, but the best players from teams would have to sit out a year?

On the surface, a nice idea. However, im not a lawyer but I see Bradley j. Pistotnik licking his chops.

[SHOCKvalue]

A player doesn't just up and leave his "home" and "family" of four years in a vacuum. If guys are leaving for that fifth year, then the obvious assumption is that something was amiss in contexts that have little to do with actual game play. Happy players aren't leaving, and by happy players I don't necessarily mean winning players.

[Kel Varnsen]

On the surface, a nice idea. However, im not a lawyer but I see Bradley j. Pistotnik licking his chops.

[RoyalShock]

And no year sit out year means that kids can do what is in their best interest.

Players have two opportunities to do what is in their best interest: 1. When they choose a college out of high school, and 2. If they choose to transfer. Sitting out a year doesn't take either of those options away from them. It only makes them choose more carefully.

How about a tying minutes played to transfer eligibility. That way, little utilized guys have better ability to transfer, but the best players from teams would have to sit out a year?

That is an intriguing idea. If a player averaged more than, say, 10 minutes in the games they actually played in, they sit out a year. That would also address the Derail Green dilemma, since most players who redshirt their freshman season aren't likely to play significant minutes their RS freshman season.

[shockmonster]

And no year sit out year means that kids can do what is in their best interest.

The other thing to consider is how many 5* recruits is Kentucky willing to skip on just so they can get a mid-major star. And if lots of transfers occur then that means lots of recruits are available that the top programs passed on for transfers.

Where I feel bad is for a guy like Derail Green to redshirt, then decide to transfer and have lost a year of eligibility. The current situation is far too skewed away from what is best for the student athlete.

Edit: Other rules can also dissuade rampant transferring. Like the mandatory home and home schedule at the option of the school losing the player. It wouldn't keep WSU from wanting Grady, but a school might think twice about taking a player from WSU our Gonzaga.

I just don't see players rights being trampled upon. A lot of kids take on debt. Now athletes get paid. Derail cares about his education and knows it's free. Athletes are given education support, etc. that other students couldn't afford even if on scholarship.

[SHOCKvalue]

If you could somehow photoshop this pic to include that guy wearing a cheesy, shiny suit and piloting a gaudy Lambo, than that picture would be fantastic-o.

EDIT: In the context of the so-called "REAL" Pistonik.