Eye Test

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Per KenPom.com

Defensive Efficency
OU - 7
KU - 16
TCU - 19
Texas - 23
Baylor - 28

Texas Tech is the only team not in the top 100. They come in at 101.

For Comparison
WSU - 14
UNI - 15
ISUr - 51

No one else in the MVC is top 100. Drake is 335!

[AZ Shocker]

Where are you pulling your stats? Because this says you're wrong.

http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-bas...ive-efficiency

According to that site....
Wichita St. has played the following Top-50 defenses:
Utah
Tulsa
Northern Iowa
Memphis
New Mexico St.

[ShockerFever]

I also find some fallacy in taking anything from conference stats. If 12 teams play each other and none of them can shoot the ball, does that mean they're all good at defense, or they all suck at offense?

Uh oh. When JH4P gets home from biddy ball today and sees this comment, be prepared for a 10-paragraph novel on how wrong and illogical you are.


FWIW, I totally agree with you.

[ShockerFever]

Oh, he's back. Must've been a smooth, quick game today.

And now we wait.

[kcshocker11]

The joke about Big 12 BB is 6 teams in 5 out in the first 2 rounds one to the sweet 16

[shoxlax]

WTF?

@GottliebShow: Weakest Bubble Ever has gotten a lot stronger over the weekend #UConn #BYU #KState #Tulsa etc

[Kel Varnsen]

I think probably KenPom http://kenpom.com/index.php?s=RankAdjDE

I am not smart enough to know where the stats come from, though. Could the Big 12 game the stats? How do you determine defensive efficiency strength in a round robin? What makes the Big 12 a strong defensive conference with 5 in the top 30 vs a conference that just has offense in the bottom 30? Is it solely based on out-of-conference games that we can measure that?

The Big 12 is so aware of its perception that it has successfully gamed every rating system known to man. Sounds reasonable, right?

Look, the Big 12 is the best conference top to bottom in the country according to nearly every objective measure. The fact that some here use their eyes while JH4P is one of the few who uses objective (and correct, because the RPI is a joke) metrics drives me nuts.

[tw805]

The Big 12 is so aware of its perception that it has successfully gamed every rating system known to man. Sounds reasonable, right?

Look, the Big 12 is the best conference top to bottom in the country according to nearly every objective measure. The fact that some here use their eyes while JH4P is one of the few who uses objective (and correct, because the RPI is a joke) metrics drives me nuts.

Where are these rankings you speak of and how are they calculated? Statistics:

Iowa State is the #10 scoring offense in the country. West Virginia is at #36, and there are no other Big 12 teams in the top 50.

Baylor is #22 scoring defense, TCU is #40, and Texas is #43. No other Big 12 team is in the top 50.

They have two teams in the top 50 in assists per game, five teams in the top 50 for rebounds per game, etc. Statistically, which is an objective measure, I don't see it.

[jdshock]

The Big 12 is so aware of its perception that it has successfully gamed every rating system known to man. Sounds reasonable, right?

Look, the Big 12 is the best conference top to bottom in the country according to nearly every objective measure. The fact that some here use their eyes while JH4P is one of the few who uses objective (and correct, because the RPI is a joke) metrics drives me nuts.

I don't know if you were attempting to be snarky, or I just read your comment wrong.

I was not insinuating one way or the other how I think the system works. Are you arguing that it is impossible to game the kenpom system? I honestly don't have any idea how the stats work in these types of situations. If no non-conference games were played, would kenpom accurately be able to distinguish between good defensive conferences and bad offensive conferences? I know it's definitely possible to game RPI, but that's part of the reason it's a joke, as you say.

To me, it seems like it's definitely impossible to "game" offensive efficiency and defensive efficiency. But KenPom's overall rank is different from which teams have the best offensive and defensive efficiency.

[DUShock]

[WstateU]

That's a decent 'Eye Test'... :)

[DUShock]

That's a decent 'Eye Test'... :)

BINGO!

[shock]

[Anthroshock]

http://twitter.com/hoopvision68/status/572149505874898944/photo/1

According to this, December was a bad month for the Shocks form a standpoint of offensive efficiency.

[jdshock]

http://twitter.com/hoopvision68/stat...898944/photo/1

According to this, December was a bad month for the Shocks form a standpoint of offensive efficiency.

I don't think anyone needs stats to know that.