Official WSU vs. SIU thread

[Dave Stalwart]

I wouldn't say I expect a ton of minutes when he's a senior as if he were starting or something. I just mean I think he will be the kind of guy who can hold his own against MVC competition in a couple more years. I hope he sticks around and finishes well at WSU. He looks like he's headed in that direction.

[MTXEShox]

The PA announcer must pleasure himself with the sound of his own voice

The pa announcer sounds like he used to work at the circus. What a tool.

[SHOXAAC]

I wouldn't say I expect a ton of minutes when he's a senior as if he were starting or something. I just mean I think he will be the kind of guy who can hold his own against MVC competition in a couple more years. I hope he sticks around and finishes well at WSU. He looks like he's headed in that direction.

Let's not get carried away. JR will never be more than a mop up guy. He has probably seen his ceiling at this point, but regardless this program has Henderson in the wings and Taylor coming in next year. There will also always be a stop gap (like Cotton) on this team as well. Meaningful minutes for JR isn't in the cards.

[shockmonster]

SIU cut 9 points off the lead from the 7:58 mark to the 5:22 mark reducing the lead to 18 points. That is 9 points in 2.6 minutes and you had 5.4 minutes remaining in the game. At that rate of scoring continued through the end of the game SIU would have outscored us by 18.7 points the rest of the way. The game was clearly in doubt at the 5:22 mark especially with the way the bench was playing.

Also keep in mind that the bench was only going to get more tired the longer you left them in the game. They simply do not play extended minutes in game situations very often.

Just goes to show how little our bench has developed this year. Inconsistent ands little disappointing.

[DUShock]

RE: End of Game Starter Substitution: HCGM mentioned in the post game with MK & BH that he did that to stop the run and once stopped they subbed back out. Good enough for me (not that it matters what my BG donor level thinks).

Go Shocks!

[shocka khan]

Let's not get carried away. JR will never be more than a mop up guy. He has probably seen his ceiling at this point, but regardless this program has Henderson in the wings and Taylor coming in next year. There will also always be a stop gap (like Cotton) on this team as well. Meaningful minutes for JR isn't in the cards.

I remember many, many years ago people saying the same thing about Mark Turgeon. IIRC, he only got one or two D-1 scholarship offers when he was a senior. He walked on to KU and was all-conference his senior year. It can happen.

JRS is a hard worker and is coming along. He was a QB in high school (which is a good position to transition to a BB PG from - think Clint Normore) which means he has the ability to think quickly and a pretty high level of athleticism (he played for one of the largest schools in OKC and led them into the playoffs as a senior).

I am going to respectfully disagree with your observation and say if he keeps improving he could be a 10-20 minute per game guy as a senior. The kind of glue guy you need in a program. But I agree with Fever, he does dribble a little too much sometimes. Work that habit out of him and I think we will have a nice option at PG off the bench. He has two years to do that. I'm rooting for him.

[HockeyShock]

If JR can calm down some and get consistent with his 3, I see him as a Matt Clark-type PG. Solid backup who can run the offense and shoot if he needs to. He'll need to cut the turnovers waaaaaay down to get there, but I think he can.

I totally agree with the late line change, especially after Junior gave up running the offense and playing defense.

[Ricardo del Rio]

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[1972Shocker]

You would be changing your tune if it got down to single digits in the final minute. And that's where it was headed.

And at that point there is no assurance your starters would be able to stem the tide of momentum. They are coming in cold with no significant room for error or cushion to work with.

No thanks. I think 3G handled the situation perfectly.

[wusphlash]

I remember when a split on an "Illinois Swing" was something to celebrate. No longer. Another sign of good times.

[SHOXAAC]

I remember many, many years ago people saying the same thing about Mark Turgeon. IIRC, he only got one or two D-1 scholarship offers when he was a senior. He walked on to KU and was all-conference his senior year. It can happen.

JRS is a hard worker and is coming along. He was a QB in high school (which is a good position to transition to a BB PG from - think Clint Normore) which means he has the ability to think quickly and a pretty high level of athleticism (he played for one of the largest schools in OKC and led them into the playoffs as a senior).

I am going to respectfully disagree with your observation and say if he keeps improving he could be a 10-20 minute per game guy as a senior. The kind of glue guy you need in a program. But I agree with Fever, he does dribble a little too much sometimes. Work that habit out of him and I think we will have a nice option at PG off the bench. He has two years to do that. I'm rooting for him.

So you are saying in 2 years he could be a 10-20 minute guy at PG. There are 40 minutes for a PG. Henderson will be a junior and Taylor a sophomore. There is zero scenerio where JR gets 10-20 unless we out score our opps by an average of 25. He has pretty much hit his ceiling IMO. I like him for what he is...2-5 minutes of mop up time.

[jdshock]

So you are saying in 2 years he could be a 10-20 minute guy at PG. There are 40 minutes for a PG. Henderson will be a junior and Taylor a sophomore. There is zero scenerio where JR gets 10-20 unless we out score our opps by an average of 25. He has pretty much hit his ceiling IMO. I like him for what he is...2-5 minutes of mop up time.

I think he's still getting better, so I don't know that I think he's hit his ceiling in terms of skill. I think his senior year he might be good enough that the starters don't have to come back in the game last night. He's probably hit his ceiling in terms of minutes, except that in games where we are up by 25 early we can feel more confident that he will hold down the fort for longer.

[ShockerPrez]

I remember when a split on an "Illinois Swing" was something to celebrate. No longer. Another sign of good times.

I remember that being a big deal. But it was historically Bradley and Ill St on the same road trip. We don't really do that like we used to.

[pinstripers]

So you are saying in 2 years he could be a 10-20 minute guy at PG. There are 40 minutes for a PG. Henderson will be a junior and Taylor a sophomore. There is zero scenerio where JR gets 10-20 unless we out score our opps by an average of 25. He has pretty much hit his ceiling IMO. I like him for what he is...2-5 minutes of mop up time.

Good Lord, if that happens we swung and missed on everybody.

[1972Shocker]

If this has been mentioned before I missed it and I apologize but the Shocks did clinch at least a 2nd seed in the Valley Tournament with the win over SIU.

Now on to clinching the No. 1 seed.

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