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  • #76
    I'll remind everyone again, that Vegas lines are not 100% predictive of the final point margin, but to even betting between the two sides. You can have people bet more heavily on a name, which will drop their spread to even the bets. Being a successful bettor is finding the value in the lines.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by RoyalShock View Post
      I'm seeing tweets that Zach Brown is out with a concussion.
      Lots of people from teams all over with concussions. More awareness and more hesitation to push them back into the line ups would be my guess. Wonder if guys need to wear some kind of protective head gear during practices. This could be something someone needs to develop and market. If WSU did it they could market as "Shock Absorber" head gear "For athletes that Practice Angry".

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      • #78
        Originally posted by ShockerFever View Post
        Again, I'd like to reiterate what our record is under Marshall when we score 70 or more.
        Do you have this number?

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Ricardo del Rio View Post
          I remember the game pretty vividly. Sorta.

          Even though the Shocks had a man advantage, the Shocks had difficulty scoring against a 2-2 zone.

          Then fairly late in the game, a Shocker started bombing in field goals in the top of the key area. I cannot remember his name, but he was a star player and he was from an European country. He was about 6-9.

          The player is famous for his fake pass with the ball between his legs. I cannot remember the detail.
          Sasha Radunovich. I believe from Yugoslavia.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by ShockerFever View Post
            Again, I'd like to reiterate what our record is under Marshall when we score 70 or more.
            What is our record when we score more than 70 points & our opponent scores less than 70??

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            • #81
              By my calculations (from the 2014-2015 Basketball Yearbook at goshockers.com), under HCGM the Shockers have 128 wins, 11 losses when the Shockers score 70 or more.

              2007-2008: 4 wins, 3 losses (losses @ UNI in OT, @ Indiana State in OT, @ Northern Arizona)
              2008-2009: 7 wins, 0 losses
              2009-2010: 17 wins, 2 losses (@ Bradley, Nevada (NIT))
              2010-2011: 22 wins, 2 losses (UConn in Hawaii, UNI)
              2011-2012: 22 wins, 2 losses (Temple in OT in Puerto Rico, @ Drake in 3OT)
              2012-2013: 17 wins, 1 loss (@ Creighton)
              2013-2014: 25 wins, 1 loss (Kentucky)
              2014-2015: 14 wins, 0 losses

              To date, HCGM is 195-74 at WSU.
              "If you strive for perfection, often times you can achieve excellence." --Gregg Marshall

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              • #82
                Originally posted by _kai_ View Post
                I'll remind everyone again, that Vegas lines are not 100% predictive of the final point margin, but to even betting between the two sides. You can have people bet more heavily on a name, which will drop their spread to even the bets. Being a successful bettor is finding the value in the lines.

                Going point.

                Interestingly enough, people have been commenting that they feel the spread is too big and should be closer to 12-14 instead of 18. This would mean that people have been betting on ISUb and Vegas is trying to compensate by encouraging bets on WSU.

                If WSU is truly the "name team" here that is causing everyone to bet on them, the spread should actually shrink.

                Just an observation.

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                • #83
                  For those of us who don't gamble or follow sports odds: What about the over/under? What does this tell us?
                  “Losers Average Losers.” ― Paul Tudor Jones

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by pogo View Post
                    Lots of people from teams all over with concussions. More awareness and more hesitation to push them back into the line ups would be my guess. Wonder if guys need to wear some kind of protective head gear during practices. This could be something someone needs to develop and market. If WSU did it they could market as "Shock Absorber" head gear "For athletes that Practice Angry".
                    Pogo is looking for a 10% equity stake in his new "Shock Absorber" ‘headwear’ venture. OK, what Shark wants to join him in protecting future noggin’s and saying goodbye to concussions?

                    "You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by RoyalShock View Post
                      I'm seeing tweets that Zach Brown is out with a concussion.
                      Yeah, that's why he was out last game.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Ricardo del Rio View Post
                        I remember the game pretty vividly. Sorta.

                        Even though the Shocks had a man advantage, the Shocks had difficulty scoring against a 2-2 zone.

                        Then fairly late in the game, a Shocker started bombing in field goals in the top of the key area. I cannot remember his name, but he was a star player and he was from an European country. He was about 6-9.

                        The player is famous for his fake pass with the ball between his legs. I cannot remember the detail.
                        Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post
                        Sasha Radunovich. I believe from Yugoslavia.
                        Yes, and it appears he played "angry"...

                        "You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by ShockerGorilla View Post
                          What is our record when we score more than 70 points & our opponent scores less than 70??
                          Thank you!!! Loved it!

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by shoxlax View Post
                            You are right...Papke's last year was the NCAA tourney team in 85, he was a year ahead of Sherrod, X, etc. but redshirted so ended up in their class.
                            I don't recall Papke redshirting. He was a freshman on the 81 team that went to the Elite 8. Did he redshirt as a sophomore or junior? He should have graduated in '84. X graduated in '85. Not saying he didn't redshirt at some point. Just don't remember when/if...
                            Kansas is Flat. The Earth is Not!!

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post
                              Sasha Radunovich. I believe from Yugoslavia.
                              That move worked great but Sasha would get benched by Coach Fogler for doing this so had to stop doing it. It even faked me out and I'm fearless. Tsk, tsk, tsk!!!!!!!
                              Shocker basketball will forever be my favorite team in all of sports.

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                              • #90
                                Saw it. Yep. Fantastic.

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