Frankamp arrested for DUI..........

[_kai_]

@SHOCKvalue: take a break, the weather is real nice out today.

[Ricardo del Rio]

Several times now in this thread it has been inferred that the consumption of alcohol is analogous - and possibly even a prerequisite - for good times to be had. This has been a completely alien concept to me for the entirety of my life. Can someone please expound upon this? I don't get it. The suggestions that someone who doesn't abuse alcohol is somehow an anti-fun nerd gave me a pretty solid belly laugh, as it would a whole circle of educated, successful, active people that I know.

Think about it, the highest and best use for an inebriated human body is squarely residing on its ass... maybe watching TV, eating Cheetos, or trying to carry on a best attempt at a cognizant conversation with other similarly incapacitated types. Oh, or sleeping, since alcohol is actually a depressant. Oh joy! Where might I sign up for this scintillating past-time? Sounds AWESOME! All these years and dollars spent in my own life to get out and actually live it, do stuff, and see stuff, could've instead been used drinking, sitting on my ass, and sleeping. I'm appalled at my lack of appropriate decision making.

Honestly, there is not a single thing I consider fun (activities as a whole not performed while on one's ass) that is enhanced while hammered. Quite the opposite actually, as most of the activities are either impossible, or illegal to take part in while intoxicated.

I'm not anti-alcohol (I actually have all 3 major such "food" groups in my home), I just can't for the life of me wrap my mind around the correlation that getting drunk equates to fun. And I'm not alone; there are A LOT of people who share that same take. We're not nerds, but you can keep thinking that if it makes you feel better.

This comment has nothing to do with the thread title or related posts.

I am guessing that you are in the real estate industry in some fashion. How close of a guess have I?

[shockerfanmas]

Just popped onto this thread, at first I thought this was a CF haters attempt at a sick joke, but reading the comments sounds like it is real. I have not seen the Kansas.com article because for whatever reason Kansas.com appears to be down at the moment, and I don't follow Jenn Bates on anything. However I did see the article on kwch.com.

Very disappointed in Conner, but not surprised. I've heard from multiple sources that he goes out on the weekends, a lot. Many high school and college students drink way too much, the only problem is Conner got caught. However, let us remember that he is still young, and he's not perfect. He makes mistakes, hell I still make mistakes, and my parents still make mistakes. The key here is the aftermath. I highly doubt it just gets swept under the rug, and I would not want to be anywhere near Marty right now. I can't imagine he is in a very good mood at all.

For those condemning Conner and wanting him gone for this.. get real. Yes, he made a mistake, but so have many others that played for the Shox. I have no doubt there will be a punishment, but I just don't see Conners time at WSU coming to an end. However, this is definitely strike 1, and I hope that he learns from it.

[Dan]

Big difference between drinking alcohol to get hammered and having a few to loosen the tension a little. Alcohol lowers your inhibitions a bit, helps the conversation flow a little more loosely helps some people have a little better time. It's not rocket science and you shouldn't judge people for having a few drinks while attending sporting events, having dinner, or engaging in other social activities where "socializing" often goes hand in hand with having a couple drinks. Not that hard to grasp. I've only known a few people that were judgmental about other people drinking and they were recovering alcoholics. Their personality prohibited them from drinking socially. Having one drink meant having 10 drinks and getting hammered. After they sobered up, they had a difficult time understanding how someone could have 1 or 2 drinks with dinner.

[Dan]

My only post concerning Conner is that he's not just a regular 19 yr old college student. #1, he's underage, shame on him and the parents/friends that provide the environment for him to drink. #2, he's a high level athlete that should not be drinking right now. He needs to be working on getting in tip top shape, something that cannot be obtained if you are drinking on a regular basis. I hope the guys on our team are not drinking during the season and I would hope that would be a team policy, but what do I know.

[wsushox1]

The binge drinking is out of control at a majority of universities. Too many times here people walking down campus saying "I've had a rough day, I need to black out tonight". Unfortunately, many city governments in big college towns are far to dependent on the University so the effort to try to limit underage/out of control drinking culture is little to none.

[wsushox1]

My only post concerning Conner is that he's not just a regular 19 yr old college student. #1, he's underage, shame on him and the parents/friends that provide the environment for him to drink. #2, he's a high level athlete that should not be drinking right now. He needs to be working on getting in tip top shape, something that cannot be obtained if you are drinking on a regular basis. I hope the guys on our team are not drinking during the season and I would hope that would be a team policy, but what do I know.

Parents/friends might not be providing the alcohol. All you need is a fake ID and no one will turn you away.....Bars have to make money afterall.

[WuShock16]

and any discipline doled out by HCGM will be far worse than anything you deal with in your daily life.

Forget the moral or legal implications. Here is the number one reason why a Shocker hoopster should work like hell to stay out of any situation like this:

From what I hear, I think I would rather enter the witness protection program than face Gregg after a stupid mistake like this.

[jdshock]

JH4P,
That is one weak analogy.
You may chip in a couple of bucks to SASO, but that doesn't mean you are an investor and can expect an ROI.

HCGM & Fever's good friend Dr. Sexton will get together (with counsel, of course) and decide the best course of action. Despite your convoluted assertion, they are the ones truly in charge of the program and the direction it pursues.

CF has made a mistake and I am not discounting the severity, but no one was injured. He is going to receive the help he needs and any discipline doled out by HCGM will be far worse than anything you deal with in your daily life.

That is all.

Someone could've been hurt.

If someone had been, would that change your mind? I'm curious to hear anyone's opinion. If this is not severe enough to cause removal from the team would it have been severe enough if someone had gotten hurt? And would a removal in that case only have been because of PR purposes or would it be for punishment purposes?

[RoyalShock]

The only true learned profession is mathematics! (How is that for a sanctimonious pronouncement?)

Don't Drink and Derive! Know your limits! Alcohol and Calculus don't mix!

(Sorry ... Had to do it)

You integrated that nicely. :)

[shockmonster]

Someone could've been hurt.

If someone had been, would that change your mind? I'm curious to hear anyone's opinion. If this is not severe enough to cause removal from the team would it have been severe enough if someone had gotten hurt? And would a removal in that case only have been because of PR purposes or would it be for punishment purposes?

That would have been tragic jdshock. Basketball consequences wouldn't even be the issue as the courts would be the important arbiter in that case.

[shockerfanmas]

Someone could've been hurt.

If someone had been, would that change your mind? I'm curious to hear anyone's opinion. If this is not severe enough to cause removal from the team would it have been severe enough if someone had gotten hurt? And would a removal in that case only have been because of PR purposes or would it be for punishment purposes?

I get what you're saying. Yes, CF made a bad decision. It's a decision that many people around the world have made, and some make it more than once. We understand it was a huge mistake, but I think we've all made huge mistakes in our lives before. I'm of the belief that everybody deserves a second chance, so no, I would not boot CF from the team for this. However, he has a lot of punishment coming his way. He'll have this on his record, he'll have fines, legal fees, he'll have to carry this with them the rest of his life because of judgmental people that don't believe in second chances. I'd say that's punishment enough, aside from whatever suspension he gets from HCGM, assuming that's what he gets. Why add to it by booting him from a place he obviously loves and deny him a chance to do something he loves. I wouldn't wish that kind of treatment on my worst enemy, not after a first offense. Instead of that, he needs people to support him and help him through this, not criticize and pass judgment. I'm not saying he deserves to be coddled and told everything will be ok, but he needs the support from his family, friends, fans, coaches, teammates. I've been there before, where he's at right now. It sucks, but I got a second chance in life and at my job, and I made the most of it. I learned my lesson and I didn't have to get removed from something I loved to do, to learn that lesson. Tough love, and strict but fair, are 2 things that need to come into play here.

Now, that being said, if, and it is a big if, CF doesn't learn his lesson and goes out and does it again, then yes, he's used up his second chance, and then I'm all for getting rid of him. But until then, I still welcome CF as a Shocker, and I won't pass judgment like all the other CF haters have already

[Mr. Obvious]

Interesting to see the response here if CF had 1-2 beers, blew a .02. He still would be charged the same.
Either way, he'll be on a 12 month diversion program, a "blower" in his car, $3-4K of fees etc. And then a clean record.

[pinstripers]

Interesting to see the response here if CF had 1-2 beers, blew a .02. He still would be charged the same.
Either way, he'll be on a 12 month diversion program, a "blower" in his car, $3-4K of fees etc. And then a clean record.

I would view it differently, I think.

[Mr. Obvious]

I would view it differently, I think.

Yep, then the cops are aholes who are messing up the lives of 19 year olds for having 1-2 beers. I agree.