Rank HCGM's teams

[proshox]

Including the NIT champs - how do you rank the WSU teams?

I was thinking about this today and started having trouble....

Was the final four team better than the one that followed? I think not, but it is an interesting debate.

Anyhow, I will throw out my ranking:

1) last year - Undefeated and number one seed.
2) two years ago - Final Four
3) second round loss to VCU (that team was built for a run and just got gimmicked out of the tournament)
4) this year's team (jury is still out, but I can't rank it higher because the roster construction leaves it vulnerable)
5) NIT champs - another team built for a monster run, but couldn't find the consistency required to make the tournament.

[AndShock]

Undefeated
First round loss
Final four
This year
NIT

[choida]

That year we lost to VCU really hurt

[wsushox1]

Last Year
Final Four
VCU loss
NIT
This year

[AdamCC]

Final Four
Undefeated
2012
This year
NIT

At full strength, that Final Four team was a tougher matchup for teams and could hurt you in more ways. Having FVV has almost made us forget how good Mal was.

[wufan]

Undefeated
First round loss
Final four
This year
NIT

I agree with this.

[molly jabali]

Last Year
Final Four
VCU loss
NIT
This year

This seems good...

[jdshock]

Last Year
Final Four
VCU loss
NIT
This year

How much worse do you think we are this year than a team that didn't make the NCAA tournament? I get that we were snubbed that year, but I'm asking what do you think the score would be between that team and this years team?

That team ended the season 29-8. If our over under is at 8 losses for this year, what do you take? That team also lost four home games.

[proshox]

How much worse do you think we are this year than a team that didn't make the NCAA tournament? I get that we were snubbed that year, but I'm asking what do you think the score would be between that team and this years team?

That team ended the season 29-8. If our over under is at 8 losses for this year, what do you take? That team also lost four home games.

The NIT team was inconsistent, but it had a nice roster combination. Therefore I think it had more variation in performance but a higher overall level of peak play. I thought the GW coach's post game comments were very telling. He knew this WSU team had key weaknesses to attack. I am not sure the NIT team had three same issue.

[molly jabali]

How much worse do you think we are this year than a team that didn't make the NCAA tournament? I get that we were snubbed that year, but I'm asking what do you think the score would be between that team and this years team?

That team ended the season 29-8. If our over under is at 8 losses for this year, what do you take? That team also lost four home games.

At the moment, I see a team that needs bigger contributes at the post to be 'better'...I think the Shockers are headed to the Dance, barring a meltdown, but I don't think they are better...yet.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

Undefeated
First round loss
Final four
This year
NIT

I also agree with this. In my view, the 2012 team was a Sweet 16 squad at worst, we just had a terrible match up. Kinda like last year too.

[Play Angry]

The NIT team went 0-5 vs. Top 50 opponents, lost to a 200+ RPI team at Koch Arena, finished with an RPI of 35 and KenPom of 25, was ranked 0 weeks, placed 2nd in the MVC in a season where it was weaker than this year (11th vs. 10th), and bowed out in the semis of Arch Madness. Anyone saying we are worse than that has a seriously selective memory.

I'll buck the trend and go with:

1) 2013-14 - Undefeated
T-2) 2014-15 and 2011-12 [KenPom ratings of 13 for each season, this year with an early edge in RPI (8 vs. 18)]
4) 2012-13 - Final Four (KenPom 17, RPI 18)
5) 2010-11 - NIT Title (KenPom 25, RPI 35)

[Dave Stalwart]

I think the 2011-12 team was really good. It was nuts that they were out so soon. That team was getting some run as a potential deep run team. They underachieved as much as the 2012-13 team surprised people. I think they could go toe-to-toe with the 2012-13 squad and both of those teams are better teams than our current team until we have a more developed post position plus some experience on the bench.

1. 35-1
2. Murry, Stutz, Kyles, Ragland, Hall, Cotton, Smith, D-Will, EO, White (that team was stacked)
3. Final 4 (I know you can't argue with a final 4, but I think 2011-12 would be 6-4 in 10 games against this team)
4. This year based on what we've seen so far but the ceiling is unknown
5. NIT

[WuShock16]

I think the 2011-12 team was really good. It was nuts that they were out so soon. That team was getting some run as a potential deep run team. They underachieved as much as the 2012-13 team surprised people. I think they could go toe-to-toe with the 2012-13 squad and both of those teams are better teams than our current team until we have a more developed post position plus some experience on the bench.

1. 35-1
2. Murry, Stutz, Kyles, Ragland, Hall, Cotton, Smith, D-Will, EO, White (that team was stacked)
3. Final 4 (I know you can't argue with a final 4, but I think 2011-12 would be 6-4 in 10 games against this team)
4. This year based on what we've seen so far but the ceiling is unknown
5. NIT

Break down the matchup between 2012 and 2014. I would have to think about that one for a bit.

[Steeleshocker]

I think the final 4 team, fully healthy was the best. There was size, blocking, perimeter defense, three point threats, rebounding. It had a great mix, and everyone knew their roles.