Potential Implosion of Big 12 and Its Impact on Shocker Basketball

[Downtown Shocker Brown]

Why would they want in the footprint?

OK is connected to Missouri and Texas. Those are the home of last two teams the SEC added.

The Longhorn Network deal obviously is a deal breaker, but Texas doesnt need a conference. It can survive on its own like BYU and Notre Dame.

I so badly wanted the SEC to lose its place with Mixzou beating Bama. We would have had an 8 team playoff next year. 5 Power Conference Champs would have been in, then the committee picking 1 Group of 5, and 2 wildcard teams.

Money. Bank. Games. Ratings. No BS.

[MoValley John]

I would love to see Texas go independent. When every P-5 conference adopts a nine game conference schedule, which they all are either in the process of, or strongly considering, the Longhorn's schedule should be quite compelling.

The nine game schedule is really going to make independence difficult.

[Shocker1976]

Contracts can be re-written but not unilaterally - there has to be some willingness on the part of both sides to rewrite the thing. So it depends on what type of implosion you are thinking. Implosion with 3 or 4 of the 10 schools finding landing spots in the P4 will not happen until the GOR expires. It is just too punative and the other conferences (ACC, PAC) that have one as well aren't super interested in challenging the Big12s in court as it was a model for their's . So it takes 8 members to dissolve the conference. You find a P4 landing spot for eight of the members that they feel each feel is better for them than the current Big 12 then yes it could happen within 5 years. But (1) finding a nice, happy spot for those 8 members isn't going to be easy and (2) the left out schools (ie Baylor) are going to be very litigious and political. So yes it could happen but I'd guess its much more likely to wait until the GOR expires in 2025.

How about these eight teams finding an acceptable post Big 12 existence -

1. Texas becomes an independent keeping the Longhorn Network

2. OU, Okla St, Baylor, TCU, Iowa State, WVU and Kansas absorbed into the P4

Leaves K State and TTU looking for a home.

[Veritas]

How about these eight teams finding an acceptable post Big 12 existence -

1. Texas becomes an independent keeping the Longhorn Network

2. OU, Okla St, Baylor, TCU, Iowa State, WVU and Kansas absorbed into the P4

Leaves K State and TTU looking for a home.

If ksu is left out then isu is also left out.

[ShockerKhan]

Notre Dame is the key. They realize that the ACC affiliation sucks. If they land in the BIG TEN and the BIG TEN can poach Missouri from the SEC the scramble will be on. Once there are four 16 team conferences
a four game playoff works just fine. If you think that West Virginia has any allegiance to the BIG XII you are wrong. If the ACC of SEC came calling they would be gone in a heart beat.
The PAC 10 was willing to take Texas regardless of the Longhorn Network and will still take them. I don't believe Texas and Oklahoma are a package deal. I could see Oklahoma in the SEC.

[Rlh04d]

Big 12 isn't imploding. Expanding, yes, imploding, no. Texas isn't going anywhere, at least until ESPN can get out of the Longhorn Network contract. If Texas is stuck, Oklahoma is stuck, too. The mistake the Big 12 made was not expanding and adding Florida State when Florida State was begging to move. Too late now. Welcome Cincy and maybe Boise. Or whomever else. Who cares?

It's amazing how bad that decision looks in retrospect, isn't it?

The entire premise of this thread is silly. The Big 12 is unlikely to implode any time soon. And the PAC12 would be very, very interested in schools like Texas and Oklahoma if it did. The only thing that turned the Pac12 off last time was that Texas demanded their annoying brothers come and play as well.

Either the B12 will be given a waiver to have a championship game, or they'll add teams like BYU, Cincy, UCF, Memphis, etc. Any additions of those schools will lower the per-team TV revenue, but the B12 already shot themselves in the foot on that front -- they arrogantly eliminated the schools that wanted to join that could have raised their revenue. But those schools aren't bad by any means, either.

[Rlh04d]

Notre Dame is the key. They realize that the ACC affiliation sucks. If they land in the BIG TEN and the BIG TEN can poach Missouri from the SEC the scramble will be on. Once there are four 16 team conferences
a four game playoff works just fine. If you think that West Virginia has any allegiance to the BIG XII you are wrong. If the ACC of SEC came calling they would be gone in a heart beat.
The PAC 10 was willing to take Texas regardless of the Longhorn Network and will still take them. I don't believe Texas and Oklahoma are a package deal. I could see Oklahoma in the SEC.

The ACC has no interest in West Virginia -- WVU's academics are terrible and that eliminates their ability to play in any conference other than the B12 and SEC.

Notre Dame is not the key. ND was already the key to the stability of the ACC when FSU wanted to move. Their ACC affiliation is perfect for them, unless it's proven that not participating in a championship game will keep them out of the playoffs like the B12 teams. ND makes far more money as a half-member of the ACC than they would as a full member of any other conference, and if they wanted to fully join the ACC, they could in a second.

[Rlh04d]

Wow. A lot of stuff to consider. So I guess the Big 12 is breaking up. That must be because Texas is leaving. And since Texas is leaving, they must be going somewhere. Please, someone, tell me where Texas is going? Please tell me which of the other four conferences they will join? Which conference is going to allow Texas to keep the Longhorn Network? As of now, all four of the other conferences have said the Longhorn Network is a deal breaker. The Longhorn Network screws up everything.

Since its not Texas, it must be Oklahoma. Oklahoma to the SEC? That is exactly what the SEC needs, another program outside of its footprint. Instead of robbing the American or the ACC, both which have big name schools inside the SEC footprint, the SEC is going to jump to Norman for their next addition. Doubtful. And that is assuming that Oklahoma wants to go. Also doubtful.

The rest of the Big 12 isn't doing anything, they are just happy to still have a conference. They have absolutely nowhere to go. The Big 12 isn't going anywhere. Now at the end of the Longhorn Network contract, should ESPN decide not to throw good money after bad, all bets are off as to what happens to Texas.

I agree with everything you've said, except that Oklahoma is outside the SEC's footprint. The SEC is in Texas, Arkansas, and Missouri. Oklahoma is a logical expansion of their footprint. As would be Virginia, North Carolina, etc.

[Dave Stalwart]

There needs to be 6 power conferences and just throw in a first round bye for this playoff deal. You don't have to whittle it down to 4 power conferences to go along with 4 play off berths.

I learned that on fantasy football because I got in the losers bracket and thought my season was over when I didnt have a game last week. Turns out I was the top seed of the 6 losers so I had the week off. :)

[Dave Stalwart]

SEC, ACC, Big10 all have 14 teams. Done.

Pac 12 has 12. Big 12 has 10. You need an extra 6 schools there to make 14 a piece.

Those are the power 5.

Then you have BYU, ND, the AAC and the MWC. Fill out the big 12 and Pac 12 to 14 teams however you want to out of that pot and create a 6th football conference with who is left. I don't care who goes where but it just seems so simple.

Keep the main playoffs at 4 teams and add the last two conferences with a first round bye. *mic drop* DJ06Shocker OUT...

[Shocker-maniac]

You guys are really missing the boat on this one. The answer is so obvious.

Let me be clear on this, THERE IS NO WAY THE BIG 12 IMPLODES. Absolutely, no way. Why? Because they have the secret answer in their hip pocket . . .

If things start to get really bad for the Big 12, the Missouri State Bears are available to join their conference. In fact, I would not be surprised if the envelope is already on the AD's desk, but he just hasn't found the letter opener yet.

Can we go ahead and close this thread now? Duh . . .

[MoValley John]

With the way the Big-12 was treated this football season (getting totally shafted) and in previous years towards K-State football...I believe the writing is and has been on the wall. The BIG-12 can not survive having a Baylor, TCU or K-State winning the conference in football. When Texas and Oklahoma don't win the conference...the conference is screwed pertaining to the National Playoff thing. The networks are NOT gonna invite anybody from the Big-12 to the playoffs unless it's either Texas or Oklahoma. Soooooooo....either the Big-12 allows (cheats) Oklahoma or Texas to win the conference every year...or Oklahoma and Texas find a new home thus imploding the Big-12. IMHO pretty much inevitable. Sad....as it was once a really great conferfence.

This is like the third or fourth time in recent memory that I've read on this board that K-State gets shafted. I'm not saying it has never happened, maybe it has, but I have never seen that, nor have I ever had any reason to think that. Could someone please tell me where and when K-State has ever been shafted.

[MoValley John]

You guys are really missing the boat on this one. The answer is so obvious.

Let me be clear on this, THERE IS NO WAY THE BIG 12 IMPLODES. Absolutely, no way. Why? Because they have the secret answer in their hip pocket . . .

If things start to get really bad for the Big 12, the Missouri State Bears are available to join their conference. In fact, I would not be surprised if the envelope is already on the AD's desk, but he just hasn't found the letter opener yet.

Can we go ahead and close this thread now? Duh . . .

I don't think the Big 12 can afford a high profile, high revenue team like Missouri State.

[Shocker-maniac]

This is like the third or fourth time in recent memory that I've read on this board that K-State gets shafted. I'm not saying it has never happened, maybe it has, but I have never seen that, nor have I ever had any reason to think that. Could someone please tell me where and when K-State has ever been shafted.

KState has NOT been shafted. Never. I have a lot of respect for Snyder but his teams nave not been shafted.

[MoValley John]

KState has NOT been shafted. Never. I have a lot of respect for Snyder but his teams nave not been shafted.

Thanks. I'm really not trying to start anything on this, but not living in Kansas I've never heard anything, ever, about K-State being shafted. I've seen that a few times here and I find it odd that I've never heard of it.