The OFFICIAL Shocks vs. Runnin' Utes Game Thread

[WstateU]

Maybe this has already been said, but I went AWOL after the loss to recover.

Me too...

I need an ‘agony of defeat’ survival guide… any suggestions?

"'Ease my pain', 'go the distance'"...

[Kung Wu]

You have a point about it being unfair to say WSU dominated 5 minutes of the game and Utah controlled 35. That may indeed be a slight exageration the more I think about it. However, I think the 7-10-3 record that WSU had in the 20 "mini-games" does a good job reflecting that Utah had the upper hand more often than the Shox. Not 90% of the time, but it was definitely not a 50/50 split.

Slight exaggeration? Even using your own technique of 2 minute break downs, Utah only had the upper hand for a total of 6 minutes!

So "controlled for 35 minutes" turns out to actually be controlled for 6 minutes using your own numbers.

I know you don't have a lot of experience with it, but a concession goes something like this, "Mr. Wu, good point-- my post about Utah controlling the game for 35 minutes was silly." But don't let me put words in your mouth, I want to hear how you would phrase that. :)

[Kung Wu]

Seems like we have developed a habit lately of burning through a lot of pages on threads. A good sign of the level of interest and passion for the Shockers by our fan base.

Don't sweat it ... there's plenty more where this came from! I'm not running out of useless post material any time soon!

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Slight exaggeration? Even using your own technique of 2 minute break downs, Utah only had the upper hand for a total of 6 minutes!

So "controlled for 35 minutes" turns out to actually be controlled for 6 minutes using your own numbers. :)

I could write a book on the logic fails of that post. Instead I'll just say to PM me if you really care to continue this conversation. It's been fun.

[Shocker-maniac]

Don't sweat it ... there's plenty more where this came from! I'm not running out of useless post material any time soon!

Keep them coming, bro!

[SHOXAAC]

Don't sweat it ... there's plenty more where this came from! I'm not running out of useless post material any time soon!

Video at 11:00!!!

[Dave Stalwart]

I could write a book on the logic fails of that post. Instead I'll just say to PM me if you really care to continue this conversation. It's been fun.

Sometimes our actual logic or lack thereof is terrible and we should feel terrible, but other times your your frequent mention of logic can be terrible and you should feel terrible. :)

[Dave Stalwart]

Seems like we have developed a habit lately of burning through a lot of pages on threads. A good sign of the level of interest and passion for the Shockers by our fan base.

I can see how frustrating it may be for some people to have to filter through massive threads with little useful info, but on the other hand, I feel like it's really nice to have an active message board. How many times do we visit an opponent's board only to find out that it's format sucks, it has few users and very little activity. I much prefer the way that Shockernet is almost always buzzing. I just need to get better about posting less and contributing more. My generation and younger are very accustomed to text messaging, instant messaging, status updating, etc. Sometimes we err on the side of posting as if we are having a casual conversation rather than making an effort to post only value-added material. I may never actually get good at keeping my mouth shut, but I can at least pretend to try :)

[Shocker-maniac]

I can see how frustrating it may be for some people to have to filter through massive threads with little useful info, but on the other hand, I feel like it's really nice to have an active message board. How many times do we visit an opponent's board only to find out that it's format sucks, it has few users and very little activity. I much prefer the way that Shockernet is almost always buzzing. I just need to get better about posting less and contributing more. My generation and younger are very accustomed to text messaging, instant messaging, status updating, etc. Sometimes we err on the side of posting as if we are having a casual conversation rather than making an effort to post only value-added material. I may never actually get good at keeping my mouth shut, but I can at least pretend to try :)

Hey, no complaints from me. Like I said I view it as a positive sign of the interest and passion for all things Shocker. So keep burning those cyberspace pages! Burn, baby, burn -- ShockerNet inferno!

[Ricardo del Rio]

What's Behind Me, It's Not Important: http://youtu.be/AjGXn249Fc0

I pretty much agree. Take one hard look to the rear and go forward and leave the past behind.

All teams have poorly played games. All teams. Learn from it. Don't dwell on it and move on.

[Kung Wu]

I could write a book on the logic fails of that post. Instead I'll just say to PM me if you really care to continue this conversation. It's been fun.

Now don't be bringing logic to a math fight.

Using the result of your analysis ...

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10 mini-games won by Utah x 2 minutes per mini-game = 20 total minutes of Utah "winning"
7 mini-games won by WSU x 2 minutes per mini-game = 14 total minutes of WSU "winning"

20 total minutes of Utah winning - 14 total minutes of WSU winning = 6 total actual minutes of Utah beating WSU

Actual total of 6 minutes of a 40 minute game that Utah was "winning" results in actually winning 15% of the game.

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Claimed total of 35 minutes of Utah winning - 5 minutes of claimed total that WSU was winning = 30 total claimed minutes of Utah beating WSU

Claimed total of 30 minutes of a 40 minute game that Utah was winning would result in winning 75% more of the game than the Shockers.

15% <<< 75% But that's just an opinion so let's keep it technical ...

Error calculation:

75 - 15 / 15 = 400% error.

Now I'm no engineer, or scientist, or businessman ... in fact I don't even exist but that's another topic ... so let's ask @SB Shock: if I did my math correctly, and if so, is 400% error in the asserted claim that Utah won 30 minutes more of the game than the Shockers bad enough to be considered wrong?

Q.E.D.

[SHOXAAC]

I could write a book on the logic fails of that post. Instead I'll just say to PM me if you really care to continue this conversation. It's been fun.

Only because the priority of this thread is past I will indulge you a bit. Take your shot at this logic fails book of yours. I will say, I believe I understand you to some degree, only do to my training in personality and communication styles. You are uber analytical, which I appreciate and admire. It is your DNA and you can't change who you are. I actually, for the most part, like and appreciate your input to this forum. At times your intent can get in the way of your true DNA mission, but I suppose all of us can be guilty at times of that.

I am also a fan of Kung. He and I are very similar in personality I believe. So when he draws a line in the sand and has an honest and no-nonsense dialogue with another member of this fine forum, I take special interest. Kung is much more qualified to speak for himself, which I think he has done, than I...but my 2-cents is that his biggest criticism of your early post was when you said "Utah won 34 minutes of the game." You even agreed that comment was an exaggeration. It should have been the end of the dialogue. It's ok to be less than perfect. Good ole' SHOXMVC is about as imperfect as anyone reading this mess. I am comfortable in my own skin to be more than ok with that. You can't "numbers" your way to win every debate every time. It's ok to concede every now and then. Nobody will think less of you. This is that time. You, in fact, will garner more respect. Don't change who you are... just work on refining your ability to be perceived as one with discussion-integrity.

I hope you put much thought into your true intent before you jump in to this logic fails book. If you choose to move forward, however, have your NASCAR fire retardant suit ready for the crash and burn.

And Fev...don't make this an opportunity to pile on...although it's tempting, I know.

[ShockerFever]

A logic-filled, perfect poster will never concede anything. He'd rather cut his willy-wacker off than admit to being wrong about something.

KW, you have a better chance of seeing 10 sober people walking around at a Creighton home basketball game than a concession from the All-Knowing.

[SHOXAAC]

A logic-filled, perfect poster will never concede anything. He'd rather cut his willy-wacker off than admit to being wrong about something.

KW, you have a better chance of seeing 10 sober people walking around at a Creighton home basketball game than a concession from the All-Knowing.

Well at least you waited 9 minutes.
:-)

[Kung Wu]

...but my 2-cents is that his biggest criticism of your early post was when you said "Utah won 34 minutes of the game." You even agreed that comment was an exaggeration. It should have been the end of the dialogue. It's ok to be less than perfect. Good ole' SHOXMVC is about as imperfect as anyone reading this mess. I am comfortable in my own skin to be more than ok with that. You can't "numbers" your way to win every debate every time. It's ok to concede every now and then. Nobody will think less of you. This is that time. You, in fact, will garner more respect. Don't change who you are... just work on refining your ability to be perceived as one with discussion-integrity.

Dang it, poking JH4P with a stick is fun, because he's relentless. In fact, I lose to JH4P because he's relentless more than I do because I'm wrong. I get exhausted!

Now the simple analysis he did clearly shows he's wrong, so he only has one tactic left to win .... increase the complexity of the subject matter in an effort to confuse the observers. Or just follow up with something to the effect of, "Vaunted Priest of Shockernet, Mr. Wu, Great Adder and Subtractor of All Single Digit Equations On High, I bow to thee before all of Shockernet and admit that my now proven invalid argument of Utah winning 34 minutes of the game was terribly, utterly, and embarrassingly silly."

But truthfully, I'm already exhausted on the subject, so I lose by forfeit once again.