Scholarships?

[1979Shocker]

If you are who I hope you are, I am fairly certain that you have nothing to worry about :)

Probably just a fan of Markis. Maybe even a home town fan.

[wufan]

Or will go to the NBA.

This would be in lured in my statement, "notified Marshall of their intentions." FWIW, my source told me today that Baker has zero intentions of going to the NBA next year and will return to WSU next season!

[1979Shocker]

I'm pretty sure Coach Marshall will have the scholarship issue worked out by the end of the school year. If we're still above the allowable 13 scholarship limit because some that we thought were going to leave didn't, then I think Coach Marshall will ask some to leave.

Scholarships are renewed each year, aren't they?

[SB Shock]

why don't we just borrow some scholarships from Drake and Bradley - they don't seem to be using them.

[1972Shocker]

I'm pretty sure Coach Marshall will have the scholarship issue worked out by the end of the school year. If we're still above the allowable 13 scholarship limit because some that we thought were going to leave didn't, then I think Coach Marshall will ask some to leave.

Scholarships are renewed each year, aren't they?

They are. However, I don't expect 3G to cut anyone loose just to free-up a scholarship for Conner Frankamp next year. It might happen for other reasons but not simply to make a schollie available to Conner.

My guess is that 3G already has a pretty darn good idea how this is all going to shake out and probably has worked through several different scenarios on how he will make this work.

[shocktown]

I said "16 scholarship worthy" players signed, with one of those 16 being Conner. That does not mean that Conner will be on scholarship, only that Conner is scholarship worthy.

This is really an important point in the equation.

Some posters scoffed at others who questioned whether HCGM was 'recruiting' CF.
Well, on the coach's show tonight when talking about how Ron Baker came to WSU, he stated that Armstead and others told HCGM that Baker needed to play during his redshirt year. HCGM told them he couldn't because they were using all 13 scholarship currently and even though Baker was a walk on and paying his own way, since they had actually recruited him actively, he would count as a 14th scholarship player on the roster and a violation.

This is why it could be key that if CF came to WSU and not the other way around, he could possibly be a walk on and pay his own way another year, play and not count against the 13 scholly limit. I admittedly do not know what the fine points of what does and does not constitute recruitment.

[1979Shocker]

They are. However, I don't expect 3G to cut anyone loose just to free-up a scholarship for Conner Frankamp next year. It might happen for other reasons but not simply to make a schollie available to Conner.

My guess is that 3G already has a pretty darn good idea how this is all going to shake out and probably has worked through several different scenarios on how he will make this work.

I was basically thinking if no scholarship players wants to leave next year, we will still be two over. So two players will either be forced to leave or something unforeseen would have to happen.

[Dan]

To recap for the horse beaters:
13 players on scholarsip
2 graduate this year (Darius and Tekele), leaving 11 on schollie
4 signed incoming freshhmen puts us at 2 over (plus Conner puts us 3 over)
Ron and/or Fred could go pro
Evan could graduate and hang up the high tops
A number of guys that aren't playing could transfer out
One of the incoming freshmen could be asked to attend prep school
Conner could pay his own way

Now, why is it so important that HCGM tells us how this is going to work out now, at this point in time? There's a lot of moving parts and it will work itself out before the end of next summer.

[im4wsu]

This is really an important point in the equation.

Some posters scoffed at others who questioned whether HCGM was 'recruiting' CF.
Well, on the coach's show tonight when talking about how Ron Baker came to WSU, he stated that Armstead and others told HCGM that Baker needed to play during his redshirt year. HCGM told them he couldn't because they were using all 13 scholarship currently and even though Baker was a walk on and paying his own way, since they had actually recruited him actively, he would count as a 14th scholarship player on the roster and a violation.

This is why it could be key that if CF came to WSU and not the other way around, he could possibly be a walk on and pay his own way another year, play and not count against the 13 scholly limit. I admittedly do not know what the fine points of what does and does not constitute recruitment.

So are you saying that those posters who were adamant that CF was being recruited may have screwed the pooch on having CF not count against the 13 limit next season?

[WuShock16]

I don't understand about playing a walk-on who was recruited and essentially would be a 14th scholarship player. If that is the case, how was McDermott allowed to play last year at Creighton?

[Shock Therapy]

I don't understand about playing a walk-on who was recruited and essentially would be a 14th scholarship player. If that is the case, how was McDermott allowed to play last year at Creighton?

It's not an issue. He can walk on or he can get an athletic scholarship. It only gets fuzzy when you start him walking on with an academic scholarship, which is not posssible because he had multiple visits where he clearly interacted with the coaching staff.

[wufan]

Well, on the coach's show tonight when talking about how Ron Baker came to WSU, he stated that Armstead and others told HCGM that Baker needed to play during his redshirt year. HCGM told them he couldn't because they were using all 13 scholarship currently and even though Baker was a walk on and paying his own way, since they had actually recruited him actively, he would count as a 14th scholarship player on the roster and a violation.

That wasn't exactly what I thought was said…or at least not how I took it.

[1972Shocker]

It is possible that Ron did receive some academic scholarship aid his walk-on year which would have made him a counter against the scholarship limit had he played that year.

[Dan]

There is a lot of confusion on this issue of scholarships. Cameron Ledford was a Gore scholar and had a full academic ride. His academic scholarship did not count against the 13 basketball scholarships. You can not give an academic scholarship to a legitimate recruited athlete. If you could, every BCS program would be stacking their benches and creating all kinds of academic scholarships to hand out. Conner will either pay his own way or he will be given a full ride athletic scholarship, no in between.

[1972Shocker]

15.5.1.1 Football or Basketball, Varsity Competition. In football or basketball, a student-athlete who was recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution and who receives institutional financial aid (as set forth in Bylaw 15.02.4.2) granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability does not have to be counted until the student-athlete engages in varsity intercollegiate competition (as opposed to freshman, B-team, subvarsity, intramural or club competition) in those sports. (Revised: 1/16/93 effective 8/1/93, 1/11/94, 6/20/04, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11, 1/18/14 effective 8/1/14)

15.5.1.1.1 Exception—Receipt of Institutional Academic Aid Only. In football or basketball, a student-athlete who was recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution and whose only source of institutional financial aid is academic aid based solely on the recipient’s academic record at the certifying 198 institution, awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all such awards made by the institution, may compete without counting in the institution’s financial aid team limits, provided he or she has completed at least one academic year of full-time enrollment at the certifying institution and has achieved a cumulative grade-point average of at least 3.000 (on a 4.000 scale) at the certifying institution. (Adopted: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06, Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

http://www.ncaapublications.com/prod...loads/D115.pdf

Conner was a recruited student-athlete so I believe the above are the key provisions in his circumstances. It is not 100% clear whether his participation in basketball at Kansas last year would eliminate the possibility of institutional financial aid his first year at WSU but it appears that would be the case. The rule states you are counted if you have participated in varsity competition in a sport which Connor has (at KU).

In Ron Baker's case he theoretically could have received some kind of institutional aid his 1st year and not be counted as long as he didn't play. I have no idea whether he received any such aid or not but that would have been the only reason he couldn't play in is walk-on year. If he was receiving no institutional aid his walk-on year he could have played without being counted.