ESPN Top 100

[im4wsu]

I was thinking about that yesterday. The Game Plan was discussion replacing Cle and the discussion really focused on Carter, FVV, and Baker. Unless folks really pay attention, they overlook the amount of improvement in Tekele's offensive production between the beginning of his sophomore season and the end of last year. Cotton saved the Shockers' asses in a couple games last year with outstanding offensive production.

Tekele seems to be really driven and I think we will see even more improvement from on the offensive end. He has ZERO expectations of being a role player. He deserves to be in the same discussion as Fred and Ron.

--'85.

IMHO, TC was WSU's "clutch player" last year. He was always the one to stop an opponent's run with defensive rebound, steal, a three-ball, a thundering dunk or a pull-up in the lane. He wasn't called on to score, but seemed to do it at critical moments.

[WSUwatcher]

As everyone has seen by now, the W schools -- WSU with Luke Skywalker and FVV, and Wisconsin with Kaminsky and Dekker -- are the only ones with two top ten players. Nice recognition, especially considering that Cotton also thus remains under cover to be turned loose as appropriate.

Oh, and once again: no other Valley players included today. ;)

[Bluzrover]

Fred at No.5 and Ron at No. 8.

^How cool is this?

[pie n eye]

Luke skywalker. Nice!

[RussDaBus]

Bilas and ******* chime in on who they feel is ranked too high:

Overvalued




Bilas: While I really like Ron Baker of Wichita State and believe he is a top-50 player, I do not have him rated as a top-10 player, nor would I place Juwan Staten of West Virginia or Ryan Boatright quite that high.

*******: I'm going with a trio of point guards who are a tad high for my liking.

I am a huge Fred VanVleet fan, but I'm just not sold that he's first-team All-American material -- which is essentially where we have him at No. 5 overall. VanVleet is so poised, takes care of the ball, and is a tremendous leader. However, I just don't know if he would be quite as productive if he played in a high-level league and against high-level athletes consistently. I'm all for VanVleet as a top-25 guy, but I'm not ready to buy that he's in the elite class and one of the top two guards in the entire country.

I'm also not buying Ryan Boatright at No. 10. He's talented and he really came around the second half of last season, but he's too erratic and inconsistent. With Shabazz Napier gone, Boatright will have the ball in his hands the majority of the time, and I'm just not sold that he can be The Guy on a top-10 or top-20 team.

Another point guard who's a tad high in my estimation, at least based on his play last season, is Kentucky sophomore Andrew Harrison (No. 18). I'm still not sold that he'll have the ball in his hands at the end of this season with the game on the line. Freshman Tyler Ulis is a superior point guard in my opinion but Harrison has a year under his belt and did play better down the

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/11825935/bilas-*******-most-underrated-#cbbrank-college-basketball

[WstateU]

Bilas and ******* chime in on who they feel is ranked too high:

Overvalued




Bilas: While I really like Ron Baker of Wichita State and believe he is a top-50 player, I do not have him rated as a top-10 player, nor would I place Juwan Staten of West Virginia or Ryan Boatright quite that high.

*******: I'm going with a trio of point guards who are a tad high for my liking.

I am a huge Fred VanVleet fan, but I'm just not sold that he's first-team All-American material -- which is essentially where we have him at No. 5 overall. VanVleet is so poised, takes care of the ball, and is a tremendous leader. However, I just don't know if he would be quite as productive if he played in a high-level league and against high-level athletes consistently. I'm all for VanVleet as a top-25 guy, but I'm not ready to buy that he's in the elite class and one of the top two guards in the entire country.

I'm also not buying Ryan Boatright at No. 10. He's talented and he really came around the second half of last season, but he's too erratic and inconsistent. With Shabazz Napier gone, Boatright will have the ball in his hands the majority of the time, and I'm just not sold that he can be The Guy on a top-10 or top-20 team.

Another point guard who's a tad high in my estimation, at least based on his play last season, is Kentucky sophomore Andrew Harrison (No. 18). I'm still not sold that he'll have the ball in his hands at the end of this season with the game on the line. Freshman Tyler Ulis is a superior point guard in my opinion but Harrison has a year under his belt and did play better down the

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-coll...ege-basketball

Boooo!

[AndShock]

******* can suck my left nut.

[WSUwatcher]

Well, both Baker and FVV are supposedly better players than they were last year, so we'll see how people evaluate them at the end of the season. Meanwhile, just a couple more reasons to keep playing angry. And what a surprise that ******* would comment on VanVleet's not playing in a high-level league.

Interesting that the guy both agreed on as overvalued was Ryan Boatright from the defending champs.

[another shocker]

Bilas and ******* chime in on who they feel is ranked too high:

Overvalued




Bilas: While I really like Ron Baker of Wichita State and believe he is a top-50 player, I do not have him rated as a top-10 player, nor would I place Juwan Staten of West Virginia or Ryan Boatright quite that high.

*******: I'm going with a trio of point guards who are a tad high for my liking.

I am a huge Fred VanVleet fan, but I'm just not sold that he's first-team All-American material -- which is essentially where we have him at No. 5 overall. VanVleet is so poised, takes care of the ball, and is a tremendous leader. However, I just don't know if he would be quite as productive if he played in a high-level league and against high-level athletes consistently. I'm all for VanVleet as a top-25 guy, but I'm not ready to buy that he's in the elite class and one of the top two guards in the entire country.

I'm also not buying Ryan Boatright at No. 10. He's talented and he really came around the second half of last season, but he's too erratic and inconsistent. With Shabazz Napier gone, Boatright will have the ball in his hands the majority of the time, and I'm just not sold that he can be The Guy on a top-10 or top-20 team.

Another point guard who's a tad high in my estimation, at least based on his play last season, is Kentucky sophomore Andrew Harrison (No. 18). I'm still not sold that he'll have the ball in his hands at the end of this season with the game on the line. Freshman Tyler Ulis is a superior point guard in my opinion but Harrison has a year under his belt and did play better down the

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-coll...ege-basketball

i guess he doesn't realize that fvv dominated on the aau circuit against all of the top players. oh, well, we knew/know it

[Cdizzle]

Bilas and ******* chime in on who they feel is ranked too high:

Overvalued




Bilas: While I really like Ron Baker of Wichita State and believe he is a top-50 player, I do not have him rated as a top-10 player, nor would I place Juwan Staten of West Virginia or Ryan Boatright quite that high.

*******: I'm going with a trio of point guards who are a tad high for my liking.

I am a huge Fred VanVleet fan, but I'm just not sold that he's first-team All-American material -- which is essentially where we have him at No. 5 overall. VanVleet is so poised, takes care of the ball, and is a tremendous leader. However, I just don't know if he would be quite as productive if he played in a high-level league and against high-level athletes consistently. I'm all for VanVleet as a top-25 guy, but I'm not ready to buy that he's in the elite class and one of the top two guards in the entire country.

I'm also not buying Ryan Boatright at No. 10. He's talented and he really came around the second half of last season, but he's too erratic and inconsistent. With Shabazz Napier gone, Boatright will have the ball in his hands the majority of the time, and I'm just not sold that he can be The Guy on a top-10 or top-20 team.

Another point guard who's a tad high in my estimation, at least based on his play last season, is Kentucky sophomore Andrew Harrison (No. 18). I'm still not sold that he'll have the ball in his hands at the end of this season with the game on the line. Freshman Tyler Ulis is a superior point guard in my opinion but Harrison has a year under his belt and did play better down the

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-coll...ege-basketball

Boy. Imagine how highly rated Baker and VanVleet must be by the 33 other folks to still end up in the Top 8.

*******'s rationale is terrible, you can see it in his assessment of Harrison. Let's consider these two statements:

"However, I just don't know if he would be quite as productive if he played in a high-level league and against high-level athletes consistently."

"Freshman Tyler Ulis is a superior point guard in my opinion (referencing Harrison)"

Sooo, you're not sure about FVV because he didn't play in the ACC, but you're cool with Tyler Ulis because he played in High School. #flawlesslogic

[wufan]

Luke skywalker. Nice!

Last year my son used to watch WSU basketball and say, 'look it's Luke Skywalker!'

Recently he watched "A new hope" and said 'look it's Ron Baker!'

[Rlh04d]

Boy. Imagine how highly rated Baker and VanVleet must be by the 33 other folks to still end up in the Top 8.

*******'s rationale is terrible, you can see it in his assessment of Harrison. Let's consider these two statements:

"However, I just don't know if he would be quite as productive if he played in a high-level league and against high-level athletes consistently."

"Freshman Tyler Ulis is a superior point guard in my opinion (referencing Harrison)"

Sooo, you're not sure about FVV because he didn't play in the ACC, but you're cool with Tyler Ulis because he played in High School. #flawlesslogic

I respect Bilas' opinion. He's a reasonable, intelligent guy, although with an admitted bias towards bigger schools.

*******'s opinion is meaningless.

I love the fact that one of the few things to complain about as a WSU fan is whether our TWO players chosen as top ten players in the country are being disrespected.

Two players being predicted in the top ten. Three years ago most national ESPN guys couldn't spell Wichita.

[shocka khan]

I just want the guys to go out and show the people writing those comments how wrong they are. If Fred and Ron do that, they will make Bilas and ******* look bad. I'm all for that.

[ShockerFever]

Bilas and ******* chime in on who they feel is ranked too high:

Overvalued




Bilas: While I really like Ron Baker of Wichita State and believe he is a top-50 player, I do not have him rated as a top-10 player, nor would I place Juwan Staten of West Virginia or Ryan Boatright quite that high.

*******: I'm going with a trio of point guards who are a tad high for my liking.

I am a huge Fred VanVleet fan, but I'm just not sold that he's first-team All-American material -- which is essentially where we have him at No. 5 overall. VanVleet is so poised, takes care of the ball, and is a tremendous leader. However, I just don't know if he would be quite as productive if he played in a high-level league and against high-level athletes consistently. I'm all for VanVleet as a top-25 guy, but I'm not ready to buy that he's in the elite class and one of the top two guards in the entire country.

I'm also not buying Ryan Boatright at No. 10. He's talented and he really came around the second half of last season, but he's too erratic and inconsistent. With Shabazz Napier gone, Boatright will have the ball in his hands the majority of the time, and I'm just not sold that he can be The Guy on a top-10 or top-20 team.

Another point guard who's a tad high in my estimation, at least based on his play last season, is Kentucky sophomore Andrew Harrison (No. 18). I'm still not sold that he'll have the ball in his hands at the end of this season with the game on the line. Freshman Tyler Ulis is a superior point guard in my opinion but Harrison has a year under his belt and did play better down the

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-coll...ege-basketball

I'm shocked.

Man, that Associated Press must really be full of ****.

[ShockerFever]

Please, please, please, please somebody make sure Marshall knows about this stuff and is posted for everyone in the locker room to see. They feed off **** like this.

******* is trying to continue on a streak where he is made into looking like the biggest f*****g putz on the planet. He is the absolute worst. I've never seen a "journalist" have such an ax to grind just because Marshall called him out for the douchenozzle he is. He's like a freaking teenage girl that just doesn't stop crying.