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  • #76
    Originally posted by SPEShockAlum View Post
    Update - it appears Frankamp will redshirt.
    Well. So much for that.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by SPEShockAlum View Post
      Update - it appears Frankamp will redshirt.
      Hahahah
      Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!

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      • #78
        Originally posted by DJ06Shocker View Post
        No. Put that back. It's not the one, but man that was a great interview... straight from the horse's mouth.

        HCGM spends an AWFUL LOT of time plugging Wessel. It's almost shameless. The question was basically asked "who have you really liked?" And he goes on about Wessel for like 5 minutes. Says he's playing better, he's a winner, says his record is 83-2 in games where he posted stats.

        Coach is high on Wessel. What else do you need to know? :)

        He also says all of the newcomers are showing flashes. It's a long listen, but I enjoyed it. Wessel is the starting PF. He didn't even mention any other forwards by name. He didn't even barely mention the big three (guards) more than about 10 seconds. It was like Evan Wessel hour...it starts around the 8 minute mark in the long video.
        Marshall asked for the exact number. I haven't tracked down all the HS box scores, but if you allow the assumption that Wessel played varsity ball his last 3 seasons at Heights without missing a game......

        Football: 30-7 (81%) 1 State Championship
        Basketball: 126-4 (97%) 3 State Championships, 2 MVC Championships, 1 MVC Tournament Championship, 1 NCAA Regional Championship, 3 NCAAs, 1 Undefeated Season
        Total: 156-11 (93%)

        You can point out all the other great players he has played with, the wonderful situations into which he has been dropped, but at the end of the day, that is an awfully large sample size to chalk up to coincidence. In basketball, he has played in parts of more seasons (6) than losses (4). Look at it this way: even if I don't include lesser titles from HS (city league, etc), in basketball Wessel has been a part of 3 more Championships than losses. 7 championships. 4 losses.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Cdizzle View Post
          Marshall asked for the exact number. I haven't tracked down all the HS box scores, but if you allow the assumption that Wessel played varsity ball his last 3 seasons at Heights without missing a game......

          Football: 30-7 (81%) 1 State Championship
          Basketball: 126-4 (97%) 3 State Championships, 2 MVC Championships, 1 MVC Tournament Championship, 1 NCAA Regional Championship, 3 NCAAs, 1 Undefeated Season
          Total: 156-11 (93%)

          You can point out all the other great players he has played with, the wonderful situations into which he has been dropped, but at the end of the day, that is an awfully large sample size to chalk up to coincidence. In basketball, he has played in parts of more seasons (6) than losses (4). Look at it this way: even if I don't include lesser titles from HS (city league, etc), in basketball Wessel has been a part of 3 more Championships than losses. 7 championships. 4 losses.
          WESSEL IS 156-11!!!!!!!!

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Cdizzle View Post
            Marshall asked for the exact number. I haven't tracked down all the HS box scores, but if you allow the assumption that Wessel played varsity ball his last 3 seasons at Heights without missing a game......

            Football: 30-7 (81%) 1 State Championship
            Basketball: 126-4 (97%) 3 State Championships, 2 MVC Championships, 1 MVC Tournament Championship, 1 NCAA Regional Championship, 3 NCAAs, 1 Undefeated Season
            Total: 156-11 (93%)

            You can point out all the other great players he has played with, the wonderful situations into which he has been dropped, but at the end of the day, that is an awfully large sample size to chalk up to coincidence. In basketball, he has played in parts of more seasons (6) than losses (4). Look at it this way: even if I don't include lesser titles from HS (city league, etc), in basketball Wessel has been a part of 3 more Championships than losses. 7 championships. 4 losses.
            You need to e-mail that to 3G's assistant. Good work.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by pie n eye View Post
              Contrarian or not it's a view point that makes more sense than the people who want to chase an 18 (19?) yr old kid out of town before his freshman season has even started. Not to mention that practically no one has even seen him play a minute of meaningful basketball since last years exhibition game.

              I'm on the Shaq bandwagon and I'm not even sure such a thing exists yet.
              I'm going to spell out for you how Marshall thinks. Give Wessel all of the good vibes you want to because it won't go to his head and it'll illustrate to the other players exactly how I think you need to play. But stay on Shaq as much as possible, because if anything nice is said about him, he gets the wrong message. Summary: Stay on Shaq's ASS and compliment Wessel as much as you can.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by shockmonster View Post
                I'm going to spell out for you how Marshall thinks. Give Wessel all of the good vibes you want to because it won't go to his head and it'll illustrate to the other players exactly how I think you need to play. But stay on Shaq as much as possible, because if anything nice is said about him, he gets the wrong message. Summary: Stay on Shaq's ASS and compliment Wessel as much as you can.
                ...thanks?

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                • #83
                  Marshall said he has four starters locked in — VanVleet, Cotton, Carter and Baker — and a group of three or four more who might move up in the rotation. Wessel is certainly in that group and junior center Bush Wamukota and freshman forward Rashard Kelly are on most days.

                  “More important for me is whoever those eight or nine guys are going to be,” Marshall said.

                  ▪ Baker will start the season as the backup point guard to VanVleet. Freshman Corey Henderson Jr. is on call behind Baker, as is Cotton. Holland is playing more at shooting guard.

                  “He’s improving his handle, but he’s more of an off-guard,” Marshall said.

                  Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college...#storylink=cpy

                  In other words, it's not going to be Henderson, Kelly or Bush W. That narrows it down quite a bit. I absolutely can't believe that it could be Brown or Nurger though. And Glass would be the first JUCO since the dawn of time, so even that is unlikely. Interesting situation. GOOD situation.

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                  • #84
                    Remember too that despite his year at Sunrise Academy, Zach Brown is still the youngest Shocker, having turned 19 on Sept 28.
                    Livin the dream

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                    • #85
                      Brown is the only redshirt candidate in my view. We won't waste a year on Glass, Kelly and Nurger are going to play. Wamukota fits both (won't waste and will play), Shaq and Holland already have, leaving Brown and Henderson. I believe Henderson will see time. Just my opinion.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by WuDrWu View Post
                        Brown is the only redshirt candidate in my view. We won't waste a year on Glass, Kelly and Nurger are going to play. Wamukota fits both (won't waste and will play), Shaq and Holland already have, leaving Brown and Henderson. I believe Henderson will see time. Just my opinion.
                        Sounds right. Depth at forward is too important to lose. Brown plays a very stacked position. Henderson was mentioned by name in coach's 8-9 man current rotation. If Brown does take a year off, he will be awfully mature and developed as a freshman next year. That will be great for the team.

                        Won't be long now!

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by shoxlax View Post
                          Trust me, Bush should redshirt if you are looking for the best possible return on investment.

                          A year in the program without burning eligibility would benefit all involved greatly.

                          We would be fine without him this year
                          If you are viewing this from the standpoint of which player would benefit the most from a redshirt year then B-Wam would seem to be at the top of that list. Here is a young man who has only played the game 3 years. Who knows what the quality of instruction and competition was in Kenya his senior year in high school. His one year at NAIA Wiley College would be comparable to a year in a good high school league. Then his one year at Kilgore. This guy is a basketball toddler at this point. A redshirt year would represent 25% of his basketball career. Hard to believe he would not have by far the steepest learning curve.

                          OTOH, if you view this from prism of what is best for the team then I don't know if B-Wam would still be at the top of the list or not. I will have to defer to 3G on that one.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post
                            If you are viewing this from the standpoint of which player would benefit the most from a redshirt year then B-Wam would seem to be at the top of that list. Here is a young man who has only played the game 3 years. Who knows what the quality of instruction and competition was in Kenya his senior year in high school. His one year at NAIA Wiley College would be comparable to a year in a good high school league. Then his one year at Kilgore. This guy is a basketball toddler at this point. A redshirt year would represent 25% of his basketball career. Hard to believe he would not have by far the steepest learning curve.

                            OTOH, if you view this from prism of what is best for the team then I don't know if B-Wam would still be at the top of the list or not. I will have to defer to 3G on that one.
                            Completely agree with everything except the NAIA comment. :)
                            Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!

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                            • #89
                              In Paul Suellentrop's breakdown of this year's team he at least mentioned every scholarship player except Zach Brown. I don't know if there is anything to be implied from that or not in terms of who might redshirt.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by 1972Shocker View Post
                                In Paul Suellentrop's breakdown of this year's team he at least mentioned every scholarship player except Zach Brown. I don't know if there is anything to be implied from that or not in terms of who might redshirt.
                                If I were Zach Brown, I might consider the idea simply as a way of trying to maximize my career as a Shocker. He might not actually be a weak link by any means. It could be possible he and Coach had the conversation early on that both parties just wanted to go ahead and commit to the redshirt unless a need were to arise. If that were the case, it would explain why Coach doesn't bring him up much (in either sense, whether it be his limitations or his strengths). Depth at his position seems to be in place for the year, but a lot starts to change after this season. I'd like to think it's just a win-win situation for both parties and he sees it as a chance to try for a significant role all 4 of his years. Normally, that might seem silly, but this is a team with FVV, Baker, Cotton, Holland and Wessel. The front court is where we need to have all hands on deck, not the "2."

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