The Annual Redshirt Thread

[Ricardo del Rio]

If FVV is drafted, I will be surprised. Second round maybe.

If RB is drafted as a point guard, I will be surprised. I am not sure Ron will be drafted first round. Second maybe.

I know, I know, heresy.

[another shocker]

If FVV is drafted, I will be surprised. Second round maybe.

If RB is drafted as a point guard, I will be surprised. I am not sure Ron will be drafted first round. Second maybe.

I know, I know, heresy.

and tim duncan won't make it in the nba

[BostonWu]

Not true. HCGM moved Cooz to SG when he got here because that was his best shot at the pros. He had toure play more PG minutes, because that was his shot. Marshall is there not just to win at that level, but to develop his players into the best basketball players they can be and to prepare them for a future beyond WSU basketball.

Agree. The two don't have to be mutuallu exclusive.

[Steeleshocker]

Not true. HCGM moved Cooz to SG when he got here because that was his best shot at the pros. He had toure play more PG minutes, because that was his shot. Marshall is there not just to win at that level, but to develop his players into the best basketball players they can be and to prepare them for a future beyond WSU basketball.

The year Toure played point the most was the year we didn't have a serviceable backup there. Not because it was his best shot at the league. But I completely agree on Marshall's ability to develop players.

[wufan]

Not true. HCGM moved Cooz to SG when he got here because that was his best shot at the pros. He had toure play more PG minutes, because that was his shot. Marshall is there not just to win at that level, but to develop his players into the best basketball players they can be and to prepare them for a future beyond WSU basketball.

Your recollection is different than mine.

[SB Shock]

When Turgeon was coach I didn't know what a redshirt was.

Durley redshirted for Turgeon (and they could have dearly used his offense, and Turgeon almost rip his redshirt off at the MVC tournament).

[wufan]

Durley redshirted for Turgeon (and they could have dearly used his offense, and Turgeon almost rip his redshirt off at the MVC tournament).

Cousinard was another. Miller did, but he was hurt. There always seemed to be a transfer that was red-shirting as well.

[MadaboutWu]

Wasn't Cousinard also hurt?

[wufan]

Wasn't Cousinard also hurt?

I don't think so.

[shock]

Pos	Name	Yr	Ht	Wt
G	JR Simon	So	5'11	166
G	Fred Van Vleet	Jr	5'11	204
G	Ria'n Holland	Fr	6'0	145
G	Tekele Cotton	Sr	6'2	200
G	Ron Baker	Jr	6'3	222
G	Corey Henderson	Fr	6'3	169
G	Jared Walker	Fr	6'3	180
G	Evan Wessel	Jr	6'5	219
F	Zach Brown	Fr	6'6	213
F	Zach Bush	Jr	6'6	192
F	Darius Carter	Sr	6'7	245
F	Rashard Kelly	Fr	6'7	234
F	Shaq Morris	Fr	6'7	275
F	Tevin Glass	Jr	6'8	206
C	Rauno Nuger	Fr	6'10	237
C	Tom Bush Wamukota	Jr	7'0	224

Where does everyone fit?

We know that Fred, Ron, Tekele, and Darius will play significant minutes as the core of this team.

At point guard, Fred will have the lion's share of the minutes, with Ron filling in as needed if Corey is not able to give quality relief time right off the bat. It is important to remember that Tekele is capable of running the point, but it is not where he can help the team best. I want Corey to take the backup spot from Ron. If that happens, we are looking at a shot to replicate last year in terms of cohesion.

What happens at the 2 guard is simple. Ron plays and is spelled by a rotation of Tekele, Evan, and Ria'n depending on the situation down low. More than likely, Tekele's commanding presence and Evans big body will be needed at the 3. Ria'n is too small to be an impact just yet. He needs to add bulk and mass if his 145 weight is correct. Look for limited minutes from Ria'n, lots of minutes from Ron.

The three guard is the flex spot for the other two guard positions. Ron, Evan, Tekele, and Zach Brown are all very capable of playing this spot. If Evan gets his stroke back, the three guard will be manned by a rotation of Cotton and Brown. Evan and Zach will swing to the 4 to run a stretch 4 line up.

Someone else can figure the 4/5 dynamic. My brain hurts.

Some situational line ups

Fred
Ron
Tekele
Evan
DC

Ron
Tekele
Evan
Zach Brown
DC

Fred
Tekele
Brown
DC
BWam

Fred
Ron
Tekele
DC
BWam

Fred
Ria'n
Tekele
Evan
DC

Rob
Ryan
Telek
Darien
Wakamoda***






***this lineup coached by Greg Martin

[Dave Stalwart]

That list really puts how thin Tevin Glass is into perspective for me. It will be really interesting to see what Gregg Marshall does with a 6'8" guy who is that light.

It also makes me wonder just how quick he is. If he buys in on defense, we might be about to see the best perimeter defending forward in the Marshall era. How heavy was Aaron Ellis?

[wufan]

I don't see Evan and Zach at the 4. If they play significant minutes there, then Darius plays the five and we have very little talent in Wamukota, Nurger, Morris, Glass, and Kelly.

This is what i see:

VanVleet for 28 minutes at the point
Baker gets 30 at the wing (possibly some at point)
Cotton plays 28 at the wing
Carter with 25 minutes at the post (4/5)
Wamukota/Nurger split the center position with 28 minutes

2 of Wessel/Holland/Brown/Henderson will split the remaining guard minutes.
Morris will play 12-15 minutes at the 4 and/or 5.
1 of Glass/Kelly will get remaining minutes at the 4.

[another shocker]

I don't see Evan and Zach at the 4. If they play significant minutes there, then Darius plays the five and we have very little talent in Wamukota, Nurger, Morris, Glass, and Kelly.

This is what i see:

VanVleet for 28 minutes at the point
Baker gets 30 at the wing (possibly some at point)
Cotton plays 28 at the wing
Carter with 25 minutes at the post (4/5)
Wamukota/Nurger split the center position with 28 minutes

2 of Wessel/Holland/Brown/Henderson will split the remaining guard minutes.
Morris will play 12-15 minutes at the 4 and/or 5.
1 of Glass/Kelly will get remaining minutes at the 4.

if the uk game qame was any indication, evan wessell should never play the 4.. not if wichita state expects to go deep into the ncaa tournament. zach brown(6'7") could probably do better at the 4 than wessell, but still wouldn't want to see him there (not against the likes of, say, uk, unc etc.). kelly might take to the 4 (against the big boys) once he develops.. he's only a freshman.

[Dave Stalwart]

Our mop up squad is going to obliterate teams who have already been blown out in the first 35 minutes

[wufan]

If we assume a third team of; Simon, Holland, Bush, Glass, and Kelly, then yes, we will extend the score.