An Informal Poll or What Is Your Guess

[wu_shizzle]

I can’t believe I’m going to argue with SHOCKvalue where I’m the one defending WSU against his over-promotion of KU, but here goes…

The poll is heavily weighted toward recent success.
Marshall was the concensus coach of the year in 2014.
Marshall’s team was in the 2013 Final Four. Self’s was not.
Marshall has perks, but he doesn’t have the perks of a job like KU.

The further back you go, the more Self starts to gain an advantage, but it is completely reasonable for a “remotely objective” person to put Marshall over Self in this poll given the guidelines ESPN has established for its ranking method.

I just threw up in my mouth... a little.

The hyperbole... it burns!

[_kai_]

Actually, kai, the authors won't "go with" anything other than the results of a poll done by 45 panelists ESPN chose. All each writeup does is comment on the poll results and try to explain how the coach of the day ended up in his particular spot. ESPN said in the Boeheim writeup that the poll is supposed to be based on "current performance," but they didn't define "current," and they didn't tell their panel how much weight to put on what in judging "current" or in analyzing "performance." So any disagreement that anyone here has is really with a group of 45 voters, not whoever wrote a given article on a given day.

I guess I should have rephrased authors with panelists. I knew it was a panel, I just assumed the blog authors of ESPN's college basketball blog were on the panel as well as writing the articles accompanied by with the list.

[BleedsGold]

Ollie's an interesting wild card. He's definitely a winner, but the two-years of experience may hold him back. He did great with Calhoun's players and an All-American point guard but can he recruit the right players for his system (see Eddie Fogler)? My money says he can, but the ESPN guys may want more proof.

Oh wait, ESPN = Storrs, CT. Nevermind.

[Ricardo del Rio]

ESPN is on the Ollie train hard.

There is little doubt. Eastern bias as well.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

I just threw up in my mouth... a little.

The hyperbole... it burns!

I see your attempt to use my own words against me. I would even say, "very clever", but...

I just don't see where you are finding hyperbole in my post.

[ShockerFever]

I just threw up in my mouth... a little.

The hyperbole... it burns!

Bahahaha!

Very well done!

[another shocker]

If ESPN wants to go the "recent" route, Marshall should be ahead of Self.

agreed. and not one mcdonalds all-american anywhere near a recent shocker rotation (unless they were playing for uk, uconn etc. against a shocker rotation).

[FlyingWheat]

Basically the list makes no sense (especially with what we've all said about Boeheim, which I think a lot of us aren't personal fans of, but still respect his accomplishments and accomplishments in the recent 2-3 years), which is why I went with Ollie at one. And like I said, it was my guess at what the authors will do, not what I think is right. I'm sure they'll go the route of "In 2 years, at a university with recent sanctions, he's won a national championship just 4 years after he was an NBA player. etc etc etc" ESPN is on the Ollie train hard.

Or if they're going for views and stir up comments and views, put Marshall at #1 and see the blue bloods cry a river.

The only thing I can come up with is that between the 45-some voters, they all took a different opinion of "best coach right now" and that's why we see differing standards.

[Dan]

agreed. and not one mcdonalds all-american anywhere near a recent shocker rotation (unless they were playing for uk, uconn etc. against a shocker rotation).

It would be scary to see what Marshall could do with a couple McD all americans.

[Shox1979]

It would be scary to see what Marshall could do with a couple McD all americans.

Maybe 3G is just a better evaluator of talent than those that choose the McDonalds teams. Sometimes players are elevated to that status because of the college they sign with. Baker was just listed as the #2 SG in the nation, and Fred has to be one of (if not the) best PG's in the nation. I wouldn't trade either of those guys for any McDonalds AA out there.

[another shocker]

It would be scary to see what Marshall could do with a couple McD all americans.

i'd like to see what a marshall team would do with a LEGIT mc'd's power forward or center, something like ku, uk, duke etc. signs every other year at least.

[shock]

Maybe 3G is just a better evaluator of talent than those that choose the McDonalds teams. Sometimes players are elevated to that status because of the college they sign with. Baker was just listed as the #2 SG in the nation, and Fred has to be one of (if not the) best PG's in the nation. I wouldn't trade either of those guys for any McDonalds AA out there.

Thon maker and FVV would be pretty special.

[Dan]

How about a Thon Maker/Seventh Woods combo for a few years?

[WuShock16]

It would be scary to see what Marshall could do with a couple McD all americans.

Doc and I were talking before the Kentucky game over this exact scenario.

Me: What would Gregg do with Kentucky-like talent that was willing to work hard and be coachable?
Doc: We'd all be telling Gregg that it would be boring to watch 50-point beatdowns every game.

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

12. Jim Boeheim - Syracuse
11. Sean Miller - Arizona

I don't see the argument for Miller being higher than Boeheim.