NCAA tournament discussion thread

[shockmonster]

Reality is, one and done got us a title just two years ago. How many titles does WSU bolster? That's not a slight against your program, but don't think for a moment that your coach would not accept a commitment from Anthony Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist, or Julius Randle. It s what it is and 98% of UK fans hope they change the rules. It would mean a dynasty. You'll end up thinking these are elitist words, but it is simply the truth.

Thanks for coming. We'll play the game on Sunday. No doubt that Anthony Davis was a special type of big man. I don't think you have another Anthony Davis this year.

[ShockTop]

Reality is, one and done got us a title just two years ago. How many titles does WSU bolster? That's not a slight against your program, but don't think for a moment that your coach would not accept a commitment from Anthony Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist, or Julius Randle. It s what it is and 98% of UK fans hope they change the rules. It would mean a dynasty. You'll end up thinking these are elitist words, but it is simply the truth.

Good points except that last part was an opinion. It's pretty hard to make a dynasty now a days.

[Slam21]

Thanks for coming. We'll play the game on Sunday. No doubt that Anthony Davis was a special type of big man. I don't think you have another Anthony Davis this year.

You are correct about not having an Anthony Davis type player. He was a special talent and very humble as well. But as a fan, I would take one title per decade any day. If we can't win it this year, I hope WSU gets their first. It's a great feeling as a fan. Let the players play with the chip on their shoulders, you don't need be a fan with a chip. WSU is great for hoops. It helps us all realize that the sum of 5 is always greater than 5 individuals.

[ShockTop]

You are correct about not having an Anthony Davis type player. He was a special talent and very humble as well. But as a fan, I would take one title per decade any day. If we can't win it this year, I hope WSU gets their first. It's a great feeling as a fan. Let the players play with the chip on their shoulders, you don't need be a fan with a chip. WSU is great for hoops. It helps us all realize that the sum of 5 is always greater than 5 individuals.

Great point man!

[rjl]

Reality is, one and done got us a title just two years ago. How many titles does WSU bolster? That's not a slight against your program, but don't think for a moment that your coach would not accept a commitment from Anthony Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist, or Julius Randle. It s what it is and 98% of UK fans hope they change the rules. It would mean a dynasty. You'll end up thinking these are elitist words, but it is simply the truth.

I don't think you know what "bolster" means.

[HenryMuto]

I understand the feeling, but I think it just ended up this way.

Everyone knew Kentucky was an 8/9 seed. That's simply what their resume was. Geographically they ended up in the midwest. I figured they were going to end up with the shot at playing us in the second game several weeks ago.

Louisville is the one that gets me, but only because I think they should have been a 3 seed. We both should have been looking to matchup with them in the Elite 8.

I had UK as a 6 seed and most of the people doing the brackets had them as either a 6 or 7 seed not many thought they would be an 8 seed after they made it to the SEC championship game and nearly beat Florida.

UMASS got a 6 seed........they should have been the 8 seed not UK.

[Rlh04d]

I had UK as a 6 seed and most of the people doing the brackets had them as either a 6 or 7 seed not many thought they would be an 8 seed after they made it to the SEC championship game and nearly beat Florida.

UMASS got a 6 seed........they should have been the 8 seed not UK.

Eh, I don't see where "almost beat Florida" fits into the resume. End of the day, they were 1-5 against the top 25, 4-6 against the top 50, 14-9 against the top 100, bad loss @South Carolina, 50% on a neutral site, 50% on the road, 2nd SOS, 16th RPI, best win #19 Louisville.

Simple comparison against the 7 seeds:

New Mexico: 3-3 against the top 25 (better), 3-3 against the top 50 (better), 7-5 against the top 100 (worse), 6-2 on neutral (much better), 8-2 on the road (much better), 45th SOS (much worse), 15th RPI (equivalent), bad loss to UNLV (relatively equivalent considering home loss compared to @USCe).

UConn: 3-4 against the top 25 (better), 7-5 against the top 50 (better), 10-7 against the top 100 (slightly worse), bad loss to Houston (equivalent), 5-1 on a neutral site (better), 6-4 on the road (better), 23rd RPI (worse), 34th SOS (worse), best win #1 Florida (better).

Texas: 3-3 against the top 25 (better), 6-8 against the top 50 (equivalent?), 12-9 against the top 100 (worse), 2-2 neutral (equivalent), 5-6 road (worse), 37th RPI (worse), 65th SOS (worse), best win #3 Kansas (better), bad loss @Texas Tech (equivalent).

Oregon: 2-3 against the top 25 (better), 4-6 against the top 50 (equivalent), 9-7 against the top 100 (worse), 18th SOS (worse), 28th RPI (worse), 3-1 neutral (better), 5-5 road (equivalent), best win #2 Arizona (better), worst losses @OSU and @Washington (worse considering x2).

I don't see an argument that Kentucky was clearly better than any of them. I would have put them over Texas, Oregon, and UMass, but I don't have a major issue with them being under them. End of the day, Oregon had two wins better than Kentucky's best win, Texas had two wins better, even UMass had two better wins. Kentucky lost 10 games and missed 80% of their opportunities to pick up great wins while playing in a worse conference than the A-10. I don't have a real issue with them as an 8.

I'll give you that Kentucky was a 6/7 seed by most people on Bracket Matrix. That 1-5 against the top 25 with only a home win over #19 Louisville is what made me think Kentucky would fall -- they had a great SOS, but how much credit do you get for your SOS when you go 1-5 against the teams that are the bulk of that SOS?

[ShockerFever]

Who is the underdog?

WSU.

Duh.

[Rlh04d]

It seems to me all one and done's play for themselves and not for the name on the jersey s. I wish this stupid one and done was rid of. It ruins college and pro ball.

I'd be careful about that. I think the one and done rule is weakening the blue bloods and increasing parity across the game.

The rule seems to be good for us.

[Rosewood]

I want KU to make it to the S16 because I want to watch them squirm when they announce that Embiid still isn't coming back to play.

I watched most of every single game of the dance so far. WSU is still a long ways away from the title game but ... there aren't a lot of teams that I watched play that scare me. Iowa St/Mich St in the east. Still kind of Florida. Still kind of AZ/Wisconsin in the West. No one in the Midwest. Again, I'm not saying they can just go ahead and FedEx the nets to us from Indy and save everyone the travel. I'm just saying I feel way better about playing Kentucky/Louisville/Michigan tonight than I did Wednesday.

[Slam21]

WSU.

Duh.

This is what I expected. UK is the 8 seed and WSU is the 1 seed but some of you still see yourselves as a 'HAVE NOT' or a small school on the hill.

UK is the underdog and the players see it that way too. WSU is playing with confidence knowing they belong and wanting that title. UK is the one looking for redemption.

[Kung Wu]

This is what I expected. UK is the 8 seed and WSU is the 1 seed but some of you still see yourselves as a 'HAVE NOT' or a small school on the hill.

UK is the underdog and the players see it that way too. WSU is playing with confidence knowing they belong and wanting that title. UK is the one looking for redemption.

Check your sarcasm meter.

[jdshock]

I want KU to make it to the S16 because I want to watch them squirm when they announce that Embiid still isn't coming back to play.

That will be so good. And then they'll have to play maybe the worst match up of the tournament for them in Syracuse. Cuse's guards will eat KU's alive. It could be a twenty point victory.

[Slam21]

Check your sarcasm meter.

I'm trying. WSU is on everyone's radar. A household name. And is gaining support outside the state you reside in. This is a side effect of being successful.

[shoxlax]

@Slam21: how do you think you match up against the Billikens? They are kind of a cross between us and Memphis.