Auburn Hires, what else has opened up that wasn't earlier?

[kcshocker11]

http://www.aseaofblue.com/2014/4/20/5633932/missouri-and-tennessee-are-racing-with-the-devil


Good article on Tn and Mo job searches

[FlyingWheat]

Probably unnecessary, but really can't boast top tier fan support in MU like HC3G sees in Wichita:

Year	WSU Attendance	% Capacity	Record	MU Attendance	% Capacity	Record	Source
2007-2008	10,478	99.7%	11-20	8,060	53.7%	16-16	Link
2008-2009	10,095	96.1%	17-17	9,805	65.4%	31-7	Link
2009-2010	10,333	98.4%	25-10	10,349	69.0%	23-11	Link
2010-2011	10,428	99.3%	29-8	11,112	74.1%	23-11	Link
2011-2012	10,391	98.9%	27-6	11,830	78.9%	30-5	Link
2012-2013	10,312	98.2%	30-9	11,996	80.0%	23-11	Link

Don't have data for 2013-2014 yet, but can't say it's looking good for MU (their arena sits 15k!).

If he's proven anything, it's that HC3G is a smart man. I'm not worried.

[AndShock]

Those numbers are inflated too. I've seen games @ Mizzou that look even worse than non-con games @ Bramlage.

[LuskingforGuttin]

Those numbers are inflated too. I've seen games @ Mizzou that look even worse than non-con games @ Bramlage.

That is completely bogus. Plus they do attendance by actual butts in seats, not just tickets sold. Many of the lower level ticket holders are bad about actually attending games but the upper level seats are a different story. A somewhat fickle fanbase absolutely. But I can absolutely 100% guarantee you that they do not put out bogus attendance numbers.

[ShockTalk]

That is completely bogus. Plus they do attendance by actual butts in seats, not just tickets sold. Many of the lower level ticket holders are bad about actually attending games but the upper level seats are a different story. A somewhat fickle fanbase absolutely. But I can absolutely 100% guarantee you that they do not put out bogus attendance numbers.

I think the point is that the fandom of MU is pretty hit and miss from game to game, year to year. 2013-14 attendance numbers will probably drop closer to the 10,000 range. While MU drew 14,000 for Tennessee, it drops to 11,700 for UK, and a few conference games under 10,000. In the non-con, MU managed only 8,800 for a ranked UCLA, 7,300 for WVU, and had at least 3 games less than 7,000, the lowest being 6,000 for IUPUI. So while the average numbers may not be inflated, there are games where 6,000 in a 15,000 arena will look like you could shoot a cannon ball through and not hit anyone.

[moshock]

That is completely bogus. Plus they do attendance by actual butts in seats, not just tickets sold. Many of the lower level ticket holders are bad about actually attending games but the upper level seats are a different story. A somewhat fickle fanbase absolutely. But I can absolutely 100% guarantee you that they do not put out bogus attendance numbers.

The kiss of death on Easter Sunday no less.

[LuskingforGuttin]

I think the point is that the fandom of MU is pretty hit and miss from game to game, year to year. 2013-14 attendance numbers will probably drop closer to the 10,000 range. While MU drew 14,000 for Tennessee, it drops to 11,700 for UK, and a few conference games under 10,000. In the non-con, MU managed only 8,800 for a ranked UCLA, 7,300 for WVU, and had at least 3 games less than 7,000, the lowest being 6,000 for IUPUI. So while the average numbers may not be inflated, there are games where 6,000 in a 15,000 arena will look like you could shoot a cannon ball through and not hit anyone.

Overall I agree with you ShockTalk. To be fair with some of those games however, an ice storm happened the same day as the UK game. I actually had tickets to the game but wasn't able to make it and I live in Columbia now. The West Virginia and UCLA games happened the same week as Mizzou played in the SEC Championship in football in Atlanta. The WVU game was on Thursday so many were already en route and the UCLA game was the same day. It was actually the lead in on CBS before their football coverage. Additionally their top 5 volleyball team was hosting an NCAA second round match that same night at the Hearnes Center. In short it was the perfect storm to negatively impact attendance.

But I do agree with your point. I live amongst them and they are a fickle bunch in regard to basketball. There has been a disconnect since Norm Stewart left. Ultimately I think that is one of several reasons why Gregg Marshall won't be interested in the position. I think he wants to be king of the castle wherever he coaches and that is not happening at any SEC school outside of Kentucky.

[MoValley John]

Oh my! Casey just doesn't know when to let something go!

[WSUwatcher]

Probably unnecessary, but really can't boast top tier fan support in MU like HC3G sees in Wichita:

Year	WSU Attendance	% Capacity	Record	MU Attendance	% Capacity	Record	Source
2007-2008	10,478	99.7%	11-20	8,060	53.7%	16-16	Link
2008-2009	10,095	96.1%	17-17	9,805	65.4%	31-7	Link
2009-2010	10,333	98.4%	25-10	10,349	69.0%	23-11	Link
2010-2011	10,428	99.3%	29-8	11,112	74.1%	23-11	Link
2011-2012	10,391	98.9%	27-6	11,830	78.9%	30-5	Link
2012-2013	10,312	98.2%	30-9	11,996	80.0%	23-11	Link

Don't have data for 2013-2014 yet, but can't say it's looking good for MU (their arena sits 15k!).

If he's proven anything, it's that HC3G is a smart man. I'm not worried.

Good heavens -- in Marshall's second year, WSU's team that ended .500 outdrew a 30+ win Missouri team playing in a 15,000 seat arena? That's just stunning, and not in a good way. How can Missouri fans not be embarrassed even talking about WSU and Marshall? Also makes you wonder -- as if this requires any encouragement -- what Lutz could be thinking in suggesting Missouri as a place in which Marshall might be interested.

[AndShock]

That is completely bogus. Plus they do attendance by actual butts in seats, not just tickets sold. Many of the lower level ticket holders are bad about actually attending games but the upper level seats are a different story. A somewhat fickle fanbase absolutely. But I can absolutely 100% guarantee you that they do not put out bogus attendance numbers.

[LuskingforGuttin]

That picture looks like it was taken during the last 40 seconds of the SE Louisiana game. A 36 point Missouri win. That is Frank Haith's son Corey (a walk on) shooting the basketball. The listed attendance for that game was just shy of 8,000. I happened to actually be at that game and the number seemed legitimate. And yes I had left by that point.

I don't feel I am making an outlandish argument here. They have had bad attendance since moving to Mizzou Arena. Compared to the Norm Stewart heyday at the Hearnes Center. That's a fact. I don't think it means that they lie about attendance however.

[AndShock]

I actually thought there was 40+ seconds left but then I thought I must be reading it wrong since there's obviously 28 seconds on the shot clock. Wouldn't be too classy to be chucking up an NBA 3-pointer to secure a 2-for-1 opportunity in a 36 point game.

[Shox21]

This argument is really getting old. I DON'T CARE! Put it to rest.

[WSUwatcher]

I think Lusking is JH4P's evil twin from Missouri.

Edit: No, that can't be right -- doesn't the concept of an evil twin connote a good twin, too? Wrong analogy, at least when it comes to endless and pointless Shockernet arguments that should be conducted via PM.

[ShockerFever]

That picture looks like it was taken during the last 40 seconds of the SE Louisiana game. A 36 point Missouri win. That is Frank Haith's son Corey (a walk on) shooting the basketball. The listed attendance for that game was just shy of 8,000. I happened to actually be at that game and the number seemed legitimate. And yes I had left by that point.

I don't feel I am making an outlandish argument here. They have had bad attendance since moving to Mizzou Arena. Compared to the Norm Stewart heyday at the Hearnes Center. That's a fact. I don't think it means that they lie about attendance however.

Do your Bare buddies know at what extent you defend the Missouri at Columbia school?

Now I know why you're banned from every MSU message board. Well, one of several reasons.