SEC is over-rated

[Capitol Shock II]

I'd like to see Indiana State play Ohio State. I think I'd take the trees on a neutral court. But that will never happen because Ohio State only plays lesser competition at home like the Delaware Fightin Blue Hens and the Bryant Bulldogs. 11 of those such games at home to start the season. So out of 22 wins just throw out 11 right off the top.

[ShockTalk]

Well since WSU last season and Ohio state this season are rated roughly the same by your analysis why don't we make a friendly wager. I bet that Ohio state doesn't make it to this years final four like WSU did last year. Since the teams have an equal rpi roughly you take Ohio state getting to the final four. Obviously this is for flip or shocktalk

Well that's a brave bet on your part. It's long odds for any team, any year, with those records, wins, and losses to make a F4.

The difference, Our Shockers Did It!!! Few others have or will.

Of course, this has absolutely nothing to do with your post or my comment to it. The point is, if Ohio State's record, wins, and losses are not good enough to make the Dance, neither should any other teams that are very comparable or slightly worse. That would have included WSU last year.

As @HernyMuto said, they still have to take 68. With rare exception, if you have a 50 RPI or better (maybe even worse) this year, you will have a good shot at making the field. Ohio St is no where near that rare exception.

[Rlh04d]

I guess that's a "No"?

You're making poor arguments and then making challenges that aren't based on what is being said.

Ohio State has a similar resume to us last year. That's where the comparisons begin and end, and the only comparison that was made.

[ShockerPhi]

Guys, I can't rate this thread any worse than "terrible" in the rating system. Can the admins fix this and make a zero star one called "Atrocious"?

[HenryMuto]

This was a really, really terrible year for mid majors.

I think Green Bay should get an at large bid if they happen to lose in the conf finals to Cleveland State but I have a feeling that just won't happen.

They beat Virginia and lost to Wisconsin by 3 pts. Two huge positives.

They lost to Harvard which was a big loss because that could have given them another quality win vs a likely tourney team.

They have 2 star players in Sykes and Alec Brown and Brown did not play at Valpo 1 of their 2 league losses. If the big name teams get to write off their losses missing star players then so should all teams. The Committee should but likely won't take that into account. Their loss at home to Milwaukee is just unexplainable except that it was a rivalry game. That was a really bad loss but guess who else has some really horrible home losses ? Syracuse so I don't think you throw a team out based on 1 bad home loss. It happens to the best teams too.

Their RPI would take a hit with a home loss probably would be around 60ish by selection Sunday and that might be the killer.

They would finish at 22-6
1-1 vs top 50
3-3 vs 51-100
18-2 vs 101+

It's a tough case to make to get in but that Virginia wins looks great and the Wisky tough loss too.

All in all though we have very few mid major chances for at larges.

[wufan]

This was a really, really terrible year for mid majors.

I think the BCS schools "figured out" the RPI.

[Cdizzle]

This was a really, really terrible year for mid majors.

Sort of. It depends who you ask what defines a mid-major. Is the A-10 mid-major? Is the MWC mid-major? The WCC? The AAC? The nBE?

WSU, Saint Louis, SDSU, and Creighton ALL spent a good part of the year in the Top15. That doesn't sound terrible. All are locks for the tourney as favored seeds, as are Gonzaga, Memphis, and SMU. By most previous definitions these are "mid-majors." The narrative is being changed because of conference realignment and because so many "mid-majors" are now household names. So they are redefining the term, so as to still make mid-majors look like they aren't any good.

[Play Angry]

Sort of. It depends who you ask what defines a mid-major. Is the A-10 mid-major? Is the MWC mid-major? The WCC? The AAC? The nBE?

WSU, Saint Louis, SDSU, and Creighton ALL spent a good part of the year in the Top15. That doesn't sound terrible. All are locks for the tourney as favored seeds, as are Gonzaga, Memphis, and SMU. By most previous definitions these are "mid-majors." The narrative is being changed because of conference realignment and because so many "mid-majors" are now household names. So they are redefining the term, so as to still make mid-majors look like they aren't any good.

Yeah you're right, it definitely does depend on the defintion.

If "non-BCS" is the preferred method, then it certainly was a strong year thanks mostly to the A-10's depth. I don't really ever remember the A-10, MWC/pre-breakup WAC, pre-meltdown CUSA, etc. being included in the term though- squads like Temple, Memphis, Louisville, Utah, New Mexico, etc. avoided the moniker. Those leagues always occupied some sort of nebulous middle ground.

Aside from the WCC (2 bids), there just isn't much at-large representation from the traditional "mid major" leagues this season.

[Cdizzle]

Aside from the WCC (2 bids), there just isn't much at-large representation from the traditional "mid major" leagues this season.

I think this is largely attributable to conference realignment. The traditionally good "mid-major" leagues don't really exist any more, at least not in their previous forms. Just as an example, the MVC would have 2 locks, and Indiana St. would probably be very high on the bubble if Creighton was still in the Valley.