Random Thoughts

[shockmonster]

No on FVV being best PG in the country, Staton kid out of WV for one is better. FVV is very good...just not the best...no shame in that......... As far as minutes at the guard position go, WSU's schedule and avg margin of victory provides more opportunity for reserves to play....doesnt mean they are quality minutes. The four main reserves are Wiggins-Wing, the 2 Bigs, and Wessel-Wing....Last year we had Armstead, VV, and D Williams at the point. Baker is more valuable at the 2, dispite the pockets of increased productivity you site with RB at the point.

How many times have you seen Staton play? If you are like most, you may have seen him once or twice for a part of a game or if you've seen him more, you obviously know more about the Big 12 than the average Shocker fan. I've watched FVV play every game this year and there is no way that Staton is more consistent than he is. Fresh VV is the most consistent (not necessarily flashy or lightening quick) Sophomore that I've seen. I've watched Staton play and he has some flaws too.

[1979Shocker]

FVV was asked during the net cutting how he was able to use the change of speed so masterfully. He said, "Yeah, I like to think of it as I'm not a drag racer, you know. I have to know how to maneuver around those corners with a slower car."

[shockmonster]

This is why Fred is better.

Fred a Cousy Award Nominee-Staten not.
Fred a better shooter than Staten both from Three Point Line.
Fred a better shooter than Staten from Free Throw Line
Fred only averages 31 minutes a game and Staten 37 minutes.
Fred's Assist to Turn Over ratio is 3.9 and Staten is 2.9.
Staten takes many more shots for his points than Fred.

[The Mad Hatter]

This is why Fred is better.

Fred a Cousy Award Nominee-Staten not.
Fred a better shooter than Staten both from Three Point Line.
Fred a better shooter than Staten from Free Throw Line
Fred only averages 31 minutes a game and Staten 37 minutes.
Fred's Assist to Turn Over ratio is 3.9 and Staten is 2.9.
Staten takes many more shots for his points than Fred.

While I agree with your statistical premise, Staten is also a Cousy Award nominee.

I might also add that Fred is averaging more assists per 40 minutes than Staten and more steals per game. Overall, both of their stats are impressive, but the assist-to-turnover ratio combined with more assists per 40 is what does it for me. That's the core of great point guard play and there isn't much to choose between them elsewhere.

[molly jabali]

*SDSU beats KU,at KU......then loses a road game...drops 6-7 spots...BUT the Cuse drops a game at home AND a game to a 6 loss Duke team...drops 3....Creighton is BEHIND a team it beat twice by a combined 800 points....KU with 6 losses is STILL discussed as a #1 seed....unreal...

and, oh yeah...however is in charge of our stoplights in town is an idiot. AND I think there is a gas cartel here, which is illegal!

No more random for a while.

[WillieJeffJeffries]

This is why Fred is better.

Fred a Cousy Award Nominee-Staten not.
Fred a better shooter than Staten both from Three Point Line.
Fred a better shooter than Staten from Free Throw Line
Fred only averages 31 minutes a game and Staten 37 minutes.
Fred's Assist to Turn Over ratio is 3.9 and Staten is 2.9.
Staten takes many more shots for his points than Fred.

I think Staten is on Cousy list....I admit I have only watched him play 5 games this year (KU, OSU 2, KSU 2) and he has looked good in all of those games. Look all Im saying is in the NCAA its going to hurt WSU not having a true point to back up VV. Its a concern and I predict if/when they lose that will be the reason why. Hope Im wrong 40-0 sounds good.

[shockmonster]

We are definitely not as good when Fresh VV is playing. But that can be said for almost every team. Some teams don't drop off as much at point guard but that is because their starting point guard isn't as good as Fred. Last year was a luxury for us in that regard. However, I feel good about Baker backing up FVV. He's as good of a back up as any team has. Last point, West Virginia doesn't have a back up point guard either. That is why Staten averages 37 minutes a game (6 more minutes than Fred).

[engrshock]

We are definitely not as good when Fresh VV is playing.

I do not think this is really what you meant to write. If it is I do not understand your point.

[jdmee]

I do not think this is really what you meant to write. If it is I do not understand your point.

I think a n't is missing after the "is".

[HockeyShock]

Rant about to commence. Hide yo' kids, hide yo' wife, etc.

Our beef with KU goes far, far beyond the basketball court, and I want to shout about it from the mountaintops. They have been against the very idea of Wichita State University since the second we petitioned to join the Regents system. They, and their lapdog K-State, pulled every procedural and political trick in the book to make us go away, except that we didn't go away. We didn't go away, we didn't become KU-Wichita, we kept our own identity and we relished it, and they've been pissed off at us about it ever since.

If you go back and read the history, you'll find out that one of the things they held against us was that we had too much emphasis on athletics. Wrap your head around THAT for a minute, in today's Big Conference(tm) world, where people like Jay Bilas want there to be what amounts to a basketball BCS, where only those "committed to excellence" (read: have the money) are allowed to compete, and the beginnings of that reality are going through with the NCAA's recent votes on giving "some degree of regulatory autonomy" to the big conference schools.

KU would love nothing more than to do that to us now, and K-State would love nothing more to support that like the syncophants they are. "First land grant university west of the Mississippi" doesn't mean anything. They know who holds the purse strings in the state, and when push comes to shove, they've demonstrated time and again that they have no spine whatsoever.

And that attitude is directly carried over into their athletic departments' decision to not even entertain the idea of playing us in men's basketball, women's basketball, or volleyball. Funny that they have no problem playing us in baseball, and funny that we're good-natured enough to actually schedule them and the kitties anyway. They want us to Go Away, and they know that, if they just simply refuse to acknowledge our existance for long enough, it'll probably happen. Marshall will go somewhere else, we'll hire another Scott Thompson or whoever and we'll be stuck in a Missouri Valley Conference seemingly determined to stay as mediocre as possible. All they have to do is wait.

Except THAT HASN'T BEEN THE SCRIPT THIS YEAR. Marshall turned down UCLA - the House that Wooden Built - one of a very small list of schools that can tell KU exactly where to shove their original Naismith rules. Instead, he's led this team on a tear the likes of which have never been seen before in this state. Now WE, not them, WE have the inside track for a #1 seed. WE are on the cover of SI, on everyone's sportstalk program, on all of the websites. And now the howls have started in earnest, and they're only going to get louder from here. It is a glorious noise, so enjoy it Shocker faithful!

And, lest we forget, the entire reason I became a Wichita State fan was because a beaker junior high science teacher wouldn't stop running his yap. Like the song says, "don't start no stuff, won't BE no stuff."

/Rant over (it's been a rough day).

[pie n eye]

Boom!

[ShockBand]

Two tunes for you, @HockeyShock:!

[boyshocker]

Amen Brother Hockey!

[ciaomichael]

Rant about to commence. Hide yo' kids, hide yo' wife, etc.

Our beef with KU goes far, far beyond the basketball court, and I want to shout about it from the mountaintops. They have been against the very idea of Wichita State University since the second we petitioned to join the Regents system. They, and their lapdog K-State, pulled every procedural and political trick in the book to make us go away, except that we didn't go away. We didn't go away, we didn't become KU-Wichita, we kept our own identity and we relished it, and they've been pissed off at us about it ever since.

If you go back and read the history, you'll find out that one of the things they held against us was that we had too much emphasis on athletics. Wrap your head around THAT for a minute, in today's Big Conference(tm) world, where people like Jay Bilas want there to be what amounts to a basketball BCS, where only those "committed to excellence" (read: have the money) are allowed to compete, and the beginnings of that reality are going through with the NCAA's recent votes on giving "some degree of regulatory autonomy" to the big conference schools.

KU would love nothing more than to do that to us now, and K-State would love nothing more to support that like the syncophants they are. "First land grant university west of the Mississippi" doesn't mean anything. They know who holds the purse strings in the state, and when push comes to shove, they've demonstrated time and again that they have no spine whatsoever.




And that attitude is directly carried over into their athletic departments' decision to not even entertain the idea of playing us in men's basketball, women's basketball, or volleyball. Funny that they have no problem playing us in baseball, and funny that we're good-natured enough to actually schedule them and the kitties anyway. They want us to Go Away, and they know that, if they just simply refuse to acknowledge our existance for long enough, it'll probably happen. Marshall will go somewhere else, we'll hire another Scott Thompson or whoever and we'll be stuck in a Missouri Valley Conference seemingly determined to stay as mediocre as possible. All they have to do is wait.

Except THAT HASN'T BEEN THE SCRIPT THIS YEAR. Marshall turned down UCLA - the House that Wooden Built - one of a very small list of schools that can tell KU exactly where to shove their original Naismith rules. Instead, he's led this team on a tear the likes of which have never been seen before in this state. Now WE, not them, WE have the inside track for a #1 seed. WE are on the cover of SI, on everyone's sportstalk program, on all of the websites. And now the howls have started in earnest, and they're only going to get louder from here. It is a glorious noise, so enjoy it Shocker faithful!

And, lest we forget, the entire reason I became a Wichita State fan was because a beaker junior high science teacher wouldn't stop running his yap. Like the song says, "don't start no stuff, won't BE no stuff."

/Rant over (it's been a rough day).

Yeah, KU and K-Stated wanted to have WU be called the State Universities Attendance Center in Wichita, with professors commuting down the turnpike from Lawrence and Manhattan, and Wichita providing the buildings and the students.

[KC Shox]

Let's say GM gives in a little and decides to be 'bought' during the non-con season to play high competition. My random thought is, do we lose money by doing so? Is the net income we receive by playing at home, more, less or equal to being 'bought'?