" ... a soft 1 seed."

[FlyingWheat]

Does that mean a soft 9 seed made the final four last year?

[coran13]

As everyone knows, tournament talk is purely conjecture. The tournament is unpredictable, and that's why it's FUN. It's obvious that Wichita State is a good, possibly great, team. It's also obvious that there are about 20 other good-great teams who have a legit chance come tournament time. Calling someone a "soft 1 seed" or "overrated" is simply a prediction, a wager that we'll lose early in the tournament, allowing them to turn to their friends and say, "See! Didn't I predict this!" These labels have no validation.

It takes very little balls to predict that we'll lose early in the tournament, because that is the popular opinion outside of Wichita. We certainly look like a team that could lose early in the tournament. Know who else could lose early in the tournament? Anyone. It takes real cojones to stand by your team, because anything can happen come March. Last year proved that.

[WstateU]

[im4wsu]

I was curious as to the largest number of losses a #1 seed has ever had, so I went back to 2001 and determined the following:

2001	Illinois	24	7
2003	Oklahoma	27	7
2003	Texas	26	7
2007	North Carolina	31	7
2012	Michigan State	26	7

Seed #1 most losses 7 Avg. Record 30.4 - 4.2
Seed #2 most losses 9 Avg. Record 25.5 - 5.7
Seed #3 most losses 10 Avg. Record 24.5 - 6.6
Seed #4 most losses 12 Avg. Record 18.7 - 6.0

The #1 seeds have had
0 losses 0 times
1 loss 1 time
2 losses 11 times
3 losses 2 times
4 losses 18 times
5 losses 10 times
6 losses 6 times
7 losses 5 times

The fewest number of losses a #2 seed has had is 2
The fewest number of losses a #3 seed has had is 3
The fewest number of losses a #4 seed has had is 4

Will the Committee make the Shockers an outlier?

[pie n eye]

Right now there are two teams who should be favorites to win a national championship. Both teams were in the final four last year and are currently undefeated. If you can't understand or accept that then you're either a) an idiot who knows nothing about basketball, b) a fan of some other team, or c) believe that conference affiliation trumps everything. Or all three.

[FlyingWheat]

The #1 seeds have had
0 losses 0 times

Good analysis. Those our powerful stats. But I think we'll be an outlier either way ;)

[Kung Wu]

I was curious as to the largest number of losses a #1 seed has ever had, so I went back to 2001 and determined the following:

2001	Illinois	24	7
2003	Oklahoma	27	7
2003	Texas	26	7
2007	North Carolina	31	7
2012	Michigan State	26	7

Seed #1 most losses 7 Avg. Record 30.4 - 4.2
Seed #2 most losses 9 Avg. Record 25.5 - 5.7
Seed #3 most losses 10 Avg. Record 24.5 - 6.6
Seed #4 most losses 12 Avg. Record 18.7 - 6.0

The #1 seeds have had
0 losses 0 times
1 loss 1 time
2 losses 11 times
3 losses 2 times
4 losses 18 times
5 losses 10 times
6 losses 6 times
7 losses 5 times

The fewest number of losses a #2 seed has had is 2
The fewest number of losses a #3 seed has had is 3
The fewest number of losses a #4 seed has had is 4

Will the Committee make the Shockers an outlier?

I am misunderstanding something. Indiana State was a 1 seed in 79's tournament, and had 0 losses.

[FlyingWheat]

I am misunderstanding something. Indiana State was a 1 seed in 79's tournament, and had 0 losses.

Only goes back to 2001. Count the total 1 seeds. Should be 52 = 13*4

[im4wsu]

Only goes back to 2001. Count the total 1 seeds. Should be 52 = 13*4

First line of post, I went back to 2001. I did so because that is where I had access to team conference and overlal win-loss records.

[SHOXAAC]

I am misunderstanding something. Indiana State was a 1 seed in 79's tournament, and had 0 losses.

Me too...somebody get out the big chief tablet & crayons.

[Shocktoberfest]

I'm totally down with a soft national championship.

[im4wsu]

The worst seed a one-loss team has had since 2001 was last year,Murray State at a 6 seed.
The worst seed a two-loss team has had since 2001 is a 2 seed (many teams).
The worst seed a three-loss team has had since 2001 is a 12 seed (Utah State in 2011)

[ripemupshocks]

To hell with all of 'em, give us a 9 seed again. It's always more fun kickin the crap out of higher seeded teams anyway.

[Cdizzle]

I think you are showing total record, including tournament results (often another loss). I think in the time frame you're working with, only Michigan St.('12) and Illinois('01) had 7 losses when they received their 1 seed.

[Kung Wu]

First line of post, I went back to 2001. I did so because that is where I had access to team conference and overlal win-loss records.

Ohhhh, I thought you meant you hopped in your time machine to run the calculation on your Pentium PC. Now I get it. :)