#8 WSU @ SIU Official Game Thread

[AZ Shocker]

Fred hasn't shown that problem, and driving into the area of the trees is a big problem for many PG's. FVV drives in there a lot, but he has very few TO's from driving.

Fred driving the lane is a little like getting the ball to Miller on the block in 2006. You can expect 2 points to go on the board. May not always happen, but it's the likely outcome.

A little Stevie~Nash style in the heady sophmore!

[rrshock]

For everyone wondering why we played 'soft' and only won by DOUBLE DIGITS ON THE ROAD -- Have you been paying attention at all in the years that we have had HCGM? There is only one team that he has ever wanted to humiliate.

Which team is that? I honestly don't remember right now.

[shox1989]

WSU highlights coming up soon on Sports Center- "Shocking Hot Start".

[shox1989]

After the first few minutes of the 2nd half SIU turned it up a notch on defense and WSU didn't match it. Combine that with Jackson getting his points and the freshman O'Brien having a career game and you get what looked like a lackluster 15-point win on the road.

I was hoping for the blowout but we got #14. Time to focus on UNI.

I was hoping for a blowout too. But WSU certainly did a lot better than the last time they went to Carbondale.

[ShockerFever]

I noticed that too. Cle didn't seem happy about it.

No need for team chemistry points to take a hit.

[KC Shox]

For everyone wondering why we played 'soft' and only won by DOUBLE DIGITS ON THE ROAD -- Have you been paying attention at all in the years that we have had HCGM? There is only one team that he has ever wanted to humiliate.

While I agree, allowing SIU to shoot 54 percent from the field or any other opponent for that matter should never happen again. I have no problem letting up on offense, but I always want the defense to be ever present.

[Rixtoy1]

Can always count on Barry for a good sound bite:
“I thought the key to Wichita State is the little stinker, VanVleet,” Hinson said. “He's just unbelievable. Seven assists, no turnovers. They had one turnover in the first half and I have no idea when it appeared. They went 15 or 16 minutes without a turnover and that's really impressive.”

Awesome - now I can add this to my #23 tattoo -

[pogo]

Is that you PePe'?

[WuDrWu]

Van Vleet moves his Assist/Turnover ratio to an insane 4.11/1. Hell, his STEAL/TO rate is 1.56/1.

Combined, Van Vleet, Baker and Cotton: 2.94 A/TO and 1.23 STEAL/TO rates. So good, it's scary.

Right now, Van Vleet is the best PG in the league and it's not close at all.

Against mostly similar competition, Fred scores more, has more assists, turns the ball over less, has a better FG%, 3FG% and FT% than Aaron Craft. Aaron has a SLIGHT edge in steals (30-28) rebounds (49-45) but he plays about 2 minutes more per game as well. Craft will get national commentary all season as one of if not the best PG in the country.

It's very possible the best PG in the country is right here.

[Bluzrover]

WSU was just running clock....I don't like it, I'd rather bury them. But I think at some point Marshall told his team to just run clock unless they get uncontested, high % shot. I am assuming to take it easy on Barry.

Having had a night to sleep on it, this^

Barry looked absolutely shell-shocked the entire game and who can blame him. Just goes to show how classy 3G is. He's not just a fantastic coach, he's a damn good person to boot. I can't argue with 14-0.

[xazshox]

Double digit blowout

RR Shock, I'm pretty sure WSU blew out Creighton on their home floor in front of a record crowd of around 18,000 by over 20 pts about 2 years ago. the score can probably be found on Go Shockers under basketball & then click on stats.

[mattdalt]

Van Vleet moves his Assist/Turnover ratio to an insane 4.11/1. Hell, his STEAL/TO rate is 1.56/1.

Combined, Van Vleet, Baker and Cotton: 2.94 A/TO and 1.23 STEAL/TO rates. So good, it's scary.

Right now, Van Vleet is the best PG in the league and it's not close at all.

Against mostly similar competition, Fred scores more, has more assists, turns the ball over less, has a better FG%, 3FG% and FT% than Aaron Craft. Aaron has a SLIGHT edge in steals (30-28) rebounds (49-45) but he plays about 2 minutes more per game as well. Craft will get national commentary all season as one of if not the best PG in the country.

It's very possible the best PG in the country is right here.

And Fred did not get "lit up" on national TV by Mr. Armstead in an elite 8 NCAA game :)

[jocoshock]

Van Vleet moves his Assist/Turnover ratio to an insane 4.11/1. Hell, his STEAL/TO rate is 1.56/1.

Combined, Van Vleet, Baker and Cotton: 2.94 A/TO and 1.23 STEAL/TO rates. So good, it's scary.

Right now, Van Vleet is the best PG in the league and it's not close at all.

Against mostly similar competition, Fred scores more, has more assists, turns the ball over less, has a better FG%, 3FG% and FT% than Aaron Craft. Aaron has a SLIGHT edge in steals (30-28) rebounds (49-45) but he plays about 2 minutes more per game as well. Craft will get national commentary all season as one of if not the best PG in the country.

It's very possible the best PG in the country is right here.

“Dad, they’re only up by 17”--

Delivered with mock concern by my 14 year old son, a dyed in the wool Shocker fan, learning a little tongue in cheek while following Wichita State’s win at Southern Illinois last night....

....Then there’s Fred Van Vleet with a second straight game without a turnover. In fact, over his last three games the sophomore has 18 assists against just one turnover, oh and he’s averaging over 13 points during that stretch. One game into the conference season and, barring injury, there’s no doubt who the Valley’s top point guard is— feel free to post that in Terre Haute, Indiana.

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[xazshox]

Double digit blowout

Found it. WSU beat Creighton on their home floor on 2-11-23, 89-68, in front of a record crowd of 18,725.

[xazshox]

Correction

2-11-12, not 2-11-23!