Games of interest

[im4wsu]

Sirius XM 91 College Basketballlast evening about 5 pm-- don't know who was speaking, but said clearly that he did not believe the selection committee should consider Embid's injury at all, that the criteria should be the entire season body of work and not the state of the team today.

I would go one step further and say, neither should "potential" be a consideration whatsoever. BUT, I believe it is when evaluating the BCS bluebloods.

[Rosewood]

I don't think it should be but it is. I'm blanking on the team name but it was a team with a clear stud that was everything to the team and he went out. He went out with an injury and they got killed in seeding and I think went out in the first round as expected.

[Rlh04d]

Sirius XM 91 College Basketballlast evening about 5 pm-- don't know who was speaking, but said clearly that he did not believe the selection committee should consider Embid's injury at all, that the criteria should be the entire season body of work and not the state of the team today.

I would go one step further and say, neither should "potential" be a consideration whatsoever. BUT, I believe it is when evaluating the BCS bluebloods.

The "potential" argument doesn't bother me for Kansas. They have a lot of losses, but their win% is still good against top 25/50 RPI teams.

The potential argument bugs me for Michigan State. MSU is barely over .500 against the top 50 or top 100, 3-5 against the top 25, RPI 25, SOS 28, and just as many losses as KU, but they keep being mentioned for a high seed. I'm well past tired of this "but they're one of the best teams in the country when they're healthy/prepared/give a damn."

[WuShock16]

I don't think it should be but it is. I'm blanking on the team name but it was a team with a clear stud that was everything to the team and he went out. He went out with an injury and they got killed in seeding and I think went out in the first round as expected.

Kenyon Martin at Cincinnati? They were dropped to a 2 after he suffered a season-ending injury and lost their second game to a 7-10 seed. That was like 2001, I believe.

[ABC]

Kenyon Martin at Cincinnati? They were dropped to a 2 after he suffered a season-ending injury and lost their second game to a 7-10 seed. That was like 2001, I believe.

Martin was NCAA Player of the Year and was more important to Cincy than Embiid is to KU, in my view. I think we need to see how KU does in the Big 12 tourney. If their performance there is like their game at WVU w/o him, then they should be dropped. I do not see how they could "play" their way back to a #1 without him no matter the Big 12 tournament.

[Shoxthemonkey]

Cincinatti as I recall. Can't remember the player.


Oops. Way late to the party.

[HenryMuto]

There has been a 2 seed with 8 losses each of the last 4 years. Nothing new.

You are incorrect you're counting the teams loss in the NCAA tournament which obviously is not counted.

#2 seeds last year

Georgetown 25-6
Ohio State 26-7
Miami (FL) 27-6
Duke 27-5

#2 seeds 2012

Duke 27-6
Missouri 30-4
Ohio State 27-7
Kansas 27-6

#2 seeds 2011

North Carolina 26-7
SD State 32-2
Notre Dame 26-6
Florida 26-7

#2 seeds 2010

West Virginia 27-6
Kansas State 26-7
Ohio State 27-7
Villanova 24-7

#2 seeds 2009

Duke 28-6
Memphis 31-3
Michigan State 26-6
Oklahoma 27-5

You have to go all the way back to 2005 to find a #2 seed with 8 losses which was UCONN 23-8

[Jamar Howard 4 President]

Good catch Henry, my mistake.

I'll stand by my point, I guess I need to slightly rephrase. An 8 loss team with the #1 SOS isn't really a stretch when we regularly have seen 2 seeds with 7 losses and lesser SOS's.

[ShockerFever]

You are incorrect you're counting the teams loss in the NCAA tournament which obviously is not counted.

#2 seeds last year

Georgetown 25-6
Ohio State 26-7
Miami (FL) 27-6
Duke 27-5

#2 seeds 2012

Duke 27-6
Missouri 30-4
Ohio State 27-7
Kansas 27-6

#2 seeds 2011

North Carolina 26-7
SD State 32-2
Notre Dame 26-6
Florida 26-7

#2 seeds 2010

West Virginia 27-6
Kansas State 26-7
Ohio State 27-7
Villanova 24-7

#2 seeds 2009

Duke 28-6
Memphis 31-3
Michigan State 26-6
Oklahoma 27-5

You have to go all the way back to 2005 to find a #2 seed with 8 losses which was UCONN 23-8

Way to go Henry! You just out-statted the stat geek.

You sir are my hero.

[jocoshock]

Martin was NCAA Player of the Year and was more important to Cincy than Embiid is to KU, in my view. I think we need to see how KU does in the Big 12 tourney. If their performance there is like their game at WVU w/o him, then they should be dropped. I do not see how they could "play" their way back to a #1 without him no matter the Big 12 tournament.

Mike DeCoursey has participated in more NCAA mocked selection sessions than anyone and discussed this issue on 810whb on the Border Patrol this morning. Go to the Podcast section of the website and you will see it under the listing for the show.

www.810whb.com

[ShockTalk]

Good catch Henry, my mistake.

I'll stand by my point, I guess I need to slightly rephrase. An 8 loss team with the #1 SOS isn't really a stretch when we regularly have seen 2 seeds with 7 losses and lesser SOS's.

And kudos for your quick reply before Fev's. :tongue-new:

[HenryMuto]

Actually UCONN had 7 losses as well in 2005 wiki was incorrect on their record on the 2005 NCAA tournament wiki page so I dug a little deeper and I found 2002 Oregon had 8 losses was actually the last 2 seed with 8 losses.

[ABC]

Mike DeCoursey has participated in more NCAA mocked selection sessions than anyone and discussed this issue on 810whb on the Border Patrol this morning. Go to the Podcast section of the website and you will see it under the listing for the show.

www.810whb.com

Could you summarize what De Coursey said?

[Shoxfan11]

I understand your point, but this is what I've been whining about for sometime now. Seeding KU 2 is seeding them on POTENTIAL or their best game and that's not the same treatment other teams/programs get. Look, I'm not advocating dropping KU to an 8, they're clearly a very good team without Embiid but they aren't playing any games at Allen from here on out and the NCAA has a history of downseeding teams that lose a good player. Teams like WSU are judged on their weaknesses and worst performances, while teams and programs like KU are judged on potential and their best performances. We have to change these prejudices.

For the record, analysts are saying that BYU will be out because Collinsworth tore his ACL and will miss the rest of the year. Will this same rule (punishment for losing a player) apply to KU? We'll see. . .

[Steeleshocker]

For the record, analysts are saying that BYU will be out because Collinsworth tore his ACL and will miss the rest of the year. Will this same rule (punishment for losing a player) apply to KU? We'll see. . .

I doubt they drop them out. The consideration for injuries affects seed lines. Not if you will get an invitation.