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Dang it. I owe a friend an apology. I called him a liar when he said they "always had a Top 5 team in the house." Didn't know the lengths they went to. -
How are the RPI #s established at the beginning of the season, before any games are played? Do they start with zero or some other #s?Comment
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Since you have already done the research, can you provide info on what the win % against Top 100 is for each of the leagues you looked at? How about a breakdown of number of games home/neutral/away?Originally posted by Jamar Howard 4 President View Post
I don't think anyone is arguing the MVC is a strong league this year.Comment
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The "official" RPI doesn't technically exist until after all the conference tourney's are done and all games are played. The NCAA has started releasing its RPI numbers earlier in the season in recent years, but it doesn't start doing so until well into the season (generally around the time conference games are underway)Originally posted by ABC View Post
As for the other sites that give ratings or predictions....it depends on the site and what their goals are. Some start with zero's all around, which is why RPI numbers jump around so much. Others try to take into account the previous years team to get closer and still others try to do other predictions on the season.
Depending on which stat you're after, some sites are better than others. Early in the season, the rankings that take stats and more into account (such as KenPom) tend to be more predictive of final standings than the ones that strictly apply the formula.
The RPI formula itself is pretty straightforward: 25% is the teams win percentage, 50% opponents win percentage, and 25% opponents opponents win percentage. Roughly a decade ago they tweaked it to give road wins and home loss's a higher weight. A home win counts as .6 win, and a road win as a 1.4 win, losses are the opposite and neutral site is 1:1Comment
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How many were road wins?Originally posted by Jamar Howard 4 President View Post
Look. They are good. At home. When Baylor loses to Texas Tech in front of 3000 people, its because Texas Tech is tough. Really??! I say, its because Baylor is soft and poorly coached.
When KSU loses to KU by 30. Its because KU is great, and they are, but c'mon. KSU should be able to give them a game.
At what point does the perception of the teams change? It doesn't. Because they all beat 2 top 100 teams out of 14 non con games (probably at home).
And no one looks at the play on the court. Just the scores, rpis, and stats."When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!Comment
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I think what's funniest about all this is for years we complained about "The eye test" and wished people would look at the numbers.
Now we complained that people don't use the eye test enough.
In the end, the compliant is always about the name on the jersey.Comment
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Quick note of correction. The Big 12 (minus KU) actually had 21 non-con wins over the top 100, not 17 like I stated earlier. With that in mind…
Non-Conference Top 100
Big 12 with KU: 26-19 (58%)
Big 12 without KU: 21-15 (58%)
ACC with Syracuse: 33-38 (46%)
ACC without Syracuse: 26-38 (41%)
MVC with WSU: 9-22 (29%)
MVC without WSU: 5-22 (19%)
My question still stands ShockerPrez. If the Big 12 isn't one of the best, deepest conferences in the country, who is? Any list you put together will end up with the Big 12 near the top. To disparage them as not that good leaves me to wonder if you just think NCAA basketball in general is not that good. Relative to DI conferences, the Big 12 is clearly near the very top.Comment
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Im not concerned with ranking them. They are all probably the same. Once they have to start playing road games, they start losing. Which, to me, shows weaknesses, that are masked with home games in the non con."When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!Comment
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They are probably all the same? You mean all the BCS conferences are the same? So you are saying that nobody is good? I really don't get your point.Comment
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All times CST.
#10 Iowa @ #21 Michigan, 6 PM on BTN
#19 St. Louis @ Duquesne, 6 PM
William & Mary @ Hofstra, 6 PM
Loyola vs. Indiana State, 7 PM
Bradley vs. Northern Iowa, 7 PM
Southern Illinois vs. Drake, 7 PM
Tennessee vs. Arkansas, 7 PM on ESPN3
#9 Wisconsin @ Minnesota, 8 PM on BTN
#7 San Diego State @ San Jose State, 9 PM on ESPN3Comment
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Do conferences get into the NCAA tournament? There is one team in the Big 12 that makes me go "wow" yet even that team has some warts. There are plenty of good teams in the Big 12 and some of them will get into the tournament. But I can see the second place team in the Big12 having 6 losses in conference. In the MVC there is WSU and the then rest this year. There are some decent other teams in the MVC but right now it looks to me like the MVC will have at most one other team get into the tourney. I do think it is a valid point to look at where the wins over or losses to Top 100 teams occurred rather than just bringing up records against Top100 teams. Baylor wins at home but has not done well on the road. The same is true for a lot of the Big12 teams.Comment
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Thanks for adding something worth a damn to this thread.Originally posted by Play Angry View PostDeuces Valley.
... No really, deuces.
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"Enjoy the ride."
- a smart manComment
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Bracket busters was a great idea to try and get an idea where people really stood outside of their own conference. Only problem was the big boys were not involved. The other problem is that the only way to compare conferences right now is based on early season ooc games. A time when many if not most teams are still developing cohesiveness/ an identity. What would be excellent for cbb is a second ooc schedule. As in start conference play two weeks sooner, then in early feb (about mid way through conference race) everyone takes two weeks off conference play.... Would be a much better indicator of what conferences are truly strong going into March. Will never happen but would be fantasticOriginally posted by Jamar Howard 4 President View PostComment
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My point is that the Big 12 is full of average teams capable of losing to any team they play. Not because they are all great, but that they are all just average.Originally posted by Jamar Howard 4 President View Post
And if any of them were great, one of these years, you would think one of them could knock of KU at the top, but they dont.
This is for all the BCS conferences. The Big 12 teams just happen to pee their pants against the real great team at a higher frequency and longevity than the other conferences."When life hands you lemons, make lemonade." Better have some sugar and water too, or else your lemonade will suck!Comment
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Go LonghornsThe mountains are calling, and I must go.Comment
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