DePaul Pre-Game Thread

[SHOXAAC]

You can watch on TV through your iPad/iPhone if you have one of those HDMI adapter thingies that Apple sells for somewhere around a gazillion dollars.

...or go to one of the gazillion sports bars that can stream ESPN 3 on a gazillion sized tv monitor.

[SHOCKvalue]

That's not accurate. Since 2005-06 we are only 12-14 against former and present BIG EAST teams. We have a losing record to Creighton during that time, and have a 4-4 record against the rest of the old and new BIG EAST during that time. We lost to Georgetown in 2008, Pitt in 2009, UConn in 2010, and Louisville last year. If you look only at the "current" BIG EAST, we are a nice even .500 at 11-11, though.

I hate playing DePaul. They are consistently at the very bottom of the BIG EAST, but consistently give teams just enough trouble to run the risk of a bad loss. We are so much more athletic, smarter, and all around have way more history, and losing to that team would be a very bad loss. Just have a bad feeling about it, though.

I'm going with Cretin fan sock. The pointless references to the impotent Blowjays, and the insistence on full caps for the BE citations.

[WuShock16]

That's not accurate. Since 2005-06 we are only 12-14 against former and present BIG EAST teams. We have a losing record to Creighton during that time, and have a 4-4 record against the rest of the old and new BIG EAST during that time. We lost to Georgetown in 2008, Pitt in 2009, UConn in 2010, and Louisville last year. If you look only at the "current" BIG EAST, we are a nice even .500 at 11-11, though.

I hate playing DePaul. They are consistently at the very bottom of the BIG EAST, but consistently give teams just enough trouble to run the risk of a bad loss. We are so much more athletic, smarter, and all around have way more history, and losing to that team would be a very bad loss. Just have a bad feeling about it, though.

If you want to point out when others are inaccurate, you better be darn sure that others will point out when you are inaccurate. Yes, Joco missed a loss, but you missed a win. We beat Providence and Seton Hall in 2005-06, Syracuse (ON THE ROAD) in 2006-07, and Pitt and DePaul last season. Heck, you can go back to 2004-05 to a road win at Providence. No, Creighton was not a Big East team, so they don't count. If we play the sCUmmies this year, I will call it a Big East game, but they were not a Big East team prior and will not be counted as such.

[Play Angry]

I do enjoy the almost incredible amount of sandbagging our fans do in these pre-game threads every week. You can literally sense the fear as the same posters hype up poor teams as being good and predict victories against weak sisters by razor-thin margins.

[jocoshock]

I do enjoy the almost incredible amount of sandbagging our fans do in these pre-game threads every week. You can literally sense the fear as the same posters hype up poor teams as being good and predict victories against weak sisters by razor-thin margins.

It may be sandbagging or it may be a severe case of Kool aid deficiency. Some may remember 2007 coming off a sweet 16, and disasterous slide that followed. That was also a year where our team had questions about the 5 spot. Some may simply be recognizing that we have unanswered questions about our team because they haven't hit the truly challenging part of our schedule, and also recognize that other teams can and do get better from year to year.

[ShockerFever]

That's not accurate. Since 2005-06 we are only 12-14 against former and present BIG EAST teams. We have a losing record to Creighton during that time, and have a 4-4 record against the rest of the old and new BIG EAST during that time. We lost to Georgetown in 2008, Pitt in 2009, UConn in 2010, and Louisville last year. If you look only at the "current" BIG EAST, we are a nice even .500 at 11-11, though.

I hate playing DePaul. They are consistently at the very bottom of the BIG EAST, but consistently give teams just enough trouble to run the risk of a bad loss. We are so much more athletic, smarter, and all around have way more history, and losing to that team would be a very bad loss. Just have a bad feeling about it, though.

My sCUm-o-meter is going off.

[GitmoYellowandBlack]

If you want to point out when others are inaccurate, you better be darn sure that others will point out when you are inaccurate. Yes, Joco missed a loss, but you missed a win. We beat Providence and Seton Hall in 2005-06, Syracuse (ON THE ROAD) in 2006-07, and Pitt and DePaul last season. Heck, you can go back to 2004-05 to a road win at Providence. No, Creighton was not a Big East team, so they don't count. If we play the sCUmmies this year, I will call it a Big East game, but they were not a Big East team prior and will not be counted as such.

The post specifically said "current and former Big East teams." Like it or not, Creighton is a current BIG EAST team. It makes us look as small and petty as they think we are to keep ignoring that and pretend like it isn't true.

Good catch on the Syracuse win that I missed.

[Dave Stalwart]

A note on DePaul's rebounding and size. The Blue Demons did out rebound their opponents in their 3 wins (Grambling, Wright St, Milwaukee), however, with a loss at home against Southern Mississippi, DePaul was beat on the boards 36-29. USM starting and top mpg front line goes 6'7", 6'5", and 6'5" and out rebounded DePaul's big three 18-11. Those 3 Golden Eagles also scored 12, 13, 12, points for a 37-24 advantage and did it while in equal/more foul trouble than the Demon front line.

That is some solid info. Thanks for that.

DePaul better watch out for Wessel. He's going to hurt someone.

[ShockerFever]

gtmoblue is a sCUm poster. He didn't hide his name very well here, not to mention the fact that he capitalizes "BIG EAST" like it's a ritual.

GTFO insecure sCUm fan. I realize the lore of WSU's program draws you in but we don't care what you losers think and certainly don't care that you're here pretending to be Shocker fans to try and get your insecure message across.

Pathetic.

[Dave Stalwart]

In order to avoid looking small and petty we have to bow down to the big east.

In order for the big east to hold a winning record over us, we have to add in teams that are joining the big east.

...and the team joining is an MVC team. hmmmm

I'm going to go ahead and not respect the big east that much.

[WuShock Reaper]

Demons - 66
Father Lankester Merrin (*) - 96


* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Lankester_Merrin

[GitmoYellowandBlack]

I don't know who "gtmoblue" is. This is the only message board I read. I am just a humble Shocker fan who thought I'd be able to discuss basketball rationally with my fellow fans. I don't quite understand why our fans have to be so insecure about Creighton that the mere mention of them causes such an immediate reaction of ignoring all reality.

The original post I responded to specifically cited our record against "current and former Big East" schools, but ignored a huge percentage of our games against the current Big East. I always thought our fans prided themselves in being accurate, so I tried to fix that. I missed one, and thankfully somebody caught that one. More accurate facts are always better, imo. I didn't add them to make the BIG EAST have a winning record over us -- I added them because they are in that conference. That's all. It'd be like comparing post season success with the Big 12 but ignoring KU just because we're jealous of them -- makes no sense. Facts are facts, period.

I never said we have to bow down to the BIG EAST. Just because I mentioned Creighton in a post doesn't mean you have to make stuff up. I put BIG EAST in all caps because that's the official way the conference name is supposed to be. Again, just trying to be accurate.

We sure are an insecure lot around here, aren't we.

[jocoshock]

I routinely build up Big East teams in my mind with respect to their athletic ability. Often, the game reveals big, athletic players who lack skills. Since 2005-06 (my first season covering WSU), the Shockers are 5-3 against (present and former) Big East teams. In most cases, they are able to overcome an athletic disadvantage (slight in some games, bigger in others) with better skills and a better plan. WSU’s big men must stay out of foul trouble (and I’m including Cleanthony Early) in that and stay on the floor. WSU survived being forced into a small lineup at Tulsa. It might not work so well tonight.

Read more here: http://blogs.kansas.com/shockwaves/#storylink=cpy

The above comments are Paul Sulleentrop's not mine. Sorry for any confusion from the omitted quotation marks...

Although I will say I agree eith overall assessment. We have held our own against the Big East. Time will tell how we do against the Big Priest,..

[Dave Stalwart]

Should this game concern anyone? Nope. Is it concerning? Yep. For the sole reason of this team's inability to come out of the gate in the first half like gang busters. That said, we win by 9 as the last 6 minutes of the game is where the Shox start to separate themselves.

Thats pretty much where I'm at with it, but I really really want another solid blowout to come together. We are going to start putting together two-half games pretty soon, and I would like very much for that to start tonight.

Whats the over-under on the laptop tonight? I can pick you up a new one before the game if you are all out :) I may need a couple myself if this game is too close...or if we lay down in the first half again.

[ShockerPrez]

I don't know who "gtmoblue" is. This is the only message board I read. I am just a humble Shocker fan who thought I'd be able to discuss basketball rationally with my fellow fans. I don't quite understand why our fans have to be so insecure about Creighton that the mere mention of them causes such an immediate reaction of ignoring all reality.

The original post I responded to specifically cited our record against "current and former Big East" schools, but ignored a huge percentage of our games against the current Big East. I always thought our fans prided themselves in being accurate, so I tried to fix that. I missed one, and thankfully somebody caught that one. More accurate facts are always better, imo. I didn't add them to make the BIG EAST have a winning record over us -- I added them because they are in that conference. That's all. It'd be like comparing post season success with the Big 12 but ignoring KU just because we're jealous of them -- makes no sense. Facts are facts, period.

I never said we have to bow down to the BIG EAST. Just because I mentioned Creighton in a post doesn't mean you have to make stuff up. I put BIG EAST in all caps because that's the official way the conference name is supposed to be. Again, just trying to be accurate.

We sure are an insecure lot around here, aren't we.

Explain how we are insecure? Just because some of us hate Creighton?

I think you are just trying to project your opinion that we are insecure.

I'm sure 99% of us would rather be where WSU is right now as opposed to where CU is.