Derail Green

[shockmonster]

He's a tall guy with a guard mentality. I know we've moved way past the Sean Ogirri days, but SO was an example of a one dimensional player, I don't think Derail is that extreme.

What does a guard mentality mean? I know what it meant for Ogirri. It meant that he wasn't very tough, couldn't play defense, didn't end up with 50/50 balls, didn't rebound very well, etc. Most of our guards have been very good at these things. FVV, Cotton, Armstead, Baker, Murry, and Wessel all do these things very well. In fact, Wessel even played some PF last year. The only person who didn't do these things as well as we would like is Wiggans. Green is definitely extra gifted in shooting the ball on the perimeter but I have confidence that he will be able to contribute to the team in any way that Gregg feels that he needs to. He

[SubGod22]

Guard mentallity means he plays and thinks like a guard. Ogirri was simply allergic from entering inside the arc. Nobody is saying that about Green. Dan is just saying that he's a really tall guard as opposed to a PF type where he bangs inside. It has nothing to do with toughness and more to do with how they play the game and where their strengths are. Baker and Wessel are toght guards but they still have a guard mentallity.

[pinstripers]

I've never seen Green go inside the arc.

[Dave Stalwart]

I've never seen Green go inside the arc.

I've never seen Green do anything other than hit one three pointer in the latest scrimmage video.

I consider myself an expert.

Speaking of videos, somebody drive over there and get me a new scrimmage video. Do it now please.

[shockmonster]

Cleanthony isn't a banger. Green will put on some weight. He was 200 lbs. a year ago. I'll be interested to see what he does in the weight room and think that he could be 210-215 lbs. Green is a face the basket type of player just like Cleanthony is. That's not uncommon for a stretch 4 type of player. But even our guards take the ball to the rim when they can. Sean O couldn't or wouldn't drive the ball so if Green doesn't like to take the ball to the rim, I agree that he will be one dimensional like Sean O'girri.

[Aargh]

Nick Wiggins - 6'6", 187 - 12.8 minutes per game (10th on the team)
Derail Green - 6'7", 199

Both are good outside shooters. Both can score in bunches in a hurry. Do you think that maybe Green might figure this out? We probably don't need much production from Green this year with Early, Wiggins, and Wessel all capable of playing SF. He's got a year to learn D - if he needs another.

[shockmonster]

Nick Wiggins - 6'6", 187 - 12.8 minutes per game (10th on the team)
Derail Green - 6'7", 199

Both are good outside shooters. Both can score in bunches in a hurry. Do you think that maybe Green might figure this out? We probably don't need much production from Green this year with Early, Wiggins, and Wessel all capable of playing SF. He's got a year to learn D - if he needs another.

Derail is only 18 years old. One year ago, he was 199 lbs. In high school, he was only 180 or so. He will put on some more weight.

[Dan]

At the games I saw him play, he seemed more comfortable floating around the perimeter than banging it up inside. He wasn't super aggressive with the ball and, while he had a nice mid range jump shot, I felt like he had the size and skills to go to the hoop and hammer it home, but he didn't seem comfortable doing that. Granted, i only saw 2 games, but I felt like he was the same player both games. I'm hoping he's developed a slashing aspect to his game, it will take him far.

[shockmonster]

yes it will. He will be a contributor, no matter what because he can shoot it, but if he doesn't broaden his game, he'll be one dimensional and limited (probably never a starter).

[Speed]

I don't remember the specifics, but seem to remember Marshall complimenting Green's practice contributions. Seems like he was a productive shooter.

[SubGod22]

Nick Wiggins - 6'6", 187 - 12.8 minutes per game (10th on the team)
Derail Green - 6'7", 199

Both are good outside shooters. Both can score in bunches in a hurry. Do you think that maybe Green might figure this out? We probably don't need much production from Green this year with Early, Wiggins, and Wessel all capable of playing SF. He's got a year to learn D - if he needs another.

You're assuming Wiggins is willing to work harder than he did this past season. I admit, he seemed to work a little harder on D later in the year and was hitting the glass a little better, but he still refused to get on the floor for loose balls and that got him pulled. If Green plays similar or better D and/or will hit the glass hard, he could easily take Wiggins minutes if Nick hasn't improved in those areas. 3G has said if all things are equal, he's likely to go with the younger player as there's more upside in that for the program.

I'm not saying he'll pass Nick, but I'm not saying he can't.

[Rlh04d]

You're assuming Wiggins is willing to work harder than he did this past season. I admit, he seemed to work a little harder on D later in the year and was hitting the glass a little better, but he still refused to get on the floor for loose balls and that got him pulled. If Green plays similar or better D and/or will hit the glass hard, he could easily take Wiggins minutes if Nick hasn't improved in those areas. 3G has said if all things are equal, he's likely to go with the younger player as there's more upside in that for the program.

I'm not saying he'll pass Nick, but I'm not saying he can't.

I think that "last year of eligibility" thing will have Nick doing anything and everything to get on the floor this year.

But yeah, if he doesn't change things, I could see Green passing him.

[tropicalshox]

The big question about Derail is does he have the foot speed to guard a SF?

[Dave Stalwart]

I think that "last year of eligibility" thing will have Nick doing anything and everything to get on the floor this year.

But yeah, if he doesn't change things, I could see Green passing him.

If Nick doesn't have a good, reliable, improved senior season, he might be the first juco in the entire Marshall era to not do that. Maybe I am forgetting, but is Mantas Griskenas the last time it happened? James Anacreon?

Those situations involved an injury or not even making the roster.

Nick will be good.

[Rlh04d]

If Nick doesn't have a good, reliable, improved senior season, he might be the first juco in the entire Marshall era to not do that. Maybe I am forgetting, but is Mantas Griskenas the last time it happened? James Anacreon?

Those situations involved an injury or not even making the roster.

Nick will be good.

I fully agree. Nick is one of the best offensive threats on the team -- only Early and Hall beat him in points per minute played last season. He edged out Armstead and was clearly ahead of the rest of the team.

If he was a 25 minute a game player last season, he would have averaged 9.5 points a game. If he can average 25 minutes a game this coming season, he'll be very solid.

The only thing I'm not sure of is whether or not his defensive effort will be good enough that HCGM will play him 25 minutes a game.

I think he'll have a senior season similar to Ben Smith's. Smith saw his per-minute numbers drop with the increase in playing time, but averaged 9.8 in 25 minutes. I'll be very happy if we get that out of Nick along with good effort on defense.