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  • #31
    Originally posted by pinstripers View Post
    Perhaps Cotton could play SS in the NFL.
    I picture Tekele more as a 1st baseman than a shortstop.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Jamar Howard 4 President View Post
      If ever there was a player who could have a great college career but never make an NBA roster, it's Fred. There is no way whatsoever that he ends up playing in the NBA. Zero. Nada. None.
      http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player?id=142951&_slug_=fred-van-vleet

      Sorry, he has the recruiting pedigree of a potential NBA draft pick. Size will be a major disadvantage there, and I think that'll keep him out of the NBA, but I would NEVER say zero. There are a number of 5'11" to 6'0" PGs on NBA rosters right now ... Chris Paul is 6'0", hell, Speedy Claxton had a decade in the NBA at 5'7". I certainly wouldn't say he's a lock for the NBA, but considering the progress I think he's capable of making in the next three years as a starter, I think it's definitely possible. I'd give him a 20% chance right now.

      Now that depends a lot on his height ... if his 5'11" measurement is exaggerated, and he's actually 5'10", that drops closer to 5%. If he somehow is still growing and hits 6'0", I'd put it closer to 50%.
      Last edited by Rlh04d; May 1, 2013, 10:45 PM.
      Originally posted by BleacherReport
      Fred VanVleet on Shockers' 3-Pt Shooting Confidence -- ' Honestly, I just tell these guys to let their nuts hang.'

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Rlh04d View Post
        http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player?id=142951&_slug_=fred-van-vleet

        Sorry, he has the recruiting pedigree of a potential NBA draft pick. Size will be a major disadvantage there, and I think that'll keep him out of the NBA, but I would NEVER say zero. There are a number of 5'11" to 6'0" PGs on NBA rosters right now ... Chris Paul is 6'0", hell, Speedy Claxton had a decade in the NBA at 5'7". I certainly wouldn't say he's a lock for the NBA, but considering the progress I think he's capable of making in the next three years as a starter, I think it's definitely possible. I'd give him a 20% chance right now.

        Now that depends a lot on his height ... if his 5'11" measurement is exaggerated, and he's actually 5'10", that drops closer to 5%. If he somehow is still growing and hits 6'0", I'd put it closer to 50%.
        I think your percentages are way too high. ESPN had him rated higher than everyone else. DraftExpress RSCI which combines all the recruiting rankings has him rated 131. That's still a potential NBA draft pick but most other players rated in that range don't get drafted. It's more of a 10% chance that players in that range are drafted. Most of those are big men projects that panned out. The only point guard drafted in that range, since 1998, is Nate Robinson. I agree that he has a greater than zero chance of playing in the NBA. I'd put it more at 5% though.

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        • #34
          Has
          <Speed
          <Quickness

          Needs
          >Speed
          >Quickness

          Nevertheless he is one of my fav two players. I have like him from the git-go.
          "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it is about the future."

          --Niels Bohr







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          • #35
            Originally posted by Shockeriffic View Post
            I think your percentages are way too high. ESPN had him rated higher than everyone else. DraftExpress RSCI which combines all the recruiting rankings has him rated 131. That's still a potential NBA draft pick but most other players rated in that range don't get drafted. It's more of a 10% chance that players in that range are drafted. Most of those are big men projects that panned out. The only point guard drafted in that range, since 1998, is Nate Robinson. I agree that he has a greater than zero chance of playing in the NBA. I'd put it more at 5% though.
            I wasn't basing my percentages on his recruiting rating. I was just saying that no one in that range as a recruit has a zero percent chance of playing in the NBA. Probably should have separated those thoughts ... didn't mean for them to blend together.

            My percentages were more based on what I think he's going to look like after four years in the system of one of the best coaches in college ball. I've seen Leonard Hamilton at Florida State turn a number of borderline recruits into high NBA draft picks (although, granted, most of his draft picks have been bigs, and the smallest of which was a 6'2" PG in the first round) based primarily on the defensive skills he's taught them in addition to their own ability. If FVV keeps working on his athleticism and shooting, the defense will already be there, and being a pure point guard should help as well.

            This is the stat line I want to see from him by his senior year to have a solid shot at the NBA: 13 ppg, 5-6 apg, 2 spg, 4 rpg, 40%+ from 3. I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility, although I certainly wouldn't bet on it. That's a better stat line than Armstead had this year, though, so he's going to need to work to get there. I don't know that that statline would definitely get him to the NBA even if he got to that point, but I think it'd be good enough to justify my 20-50% prediction depending on height.
            Last edited by Rlh04d; May 1, 2013, 11:42 PM.
            Originally posted by BleacherReport
            Fred VanVleet on Shockers' 3-Pt Shooting Confidence -- ' Honestly, I just tell these guys to let their nuts hang.'

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            • #36
              Sorry for throwing out an opinion. I guess only positive, uplifting, everything is possible types are acceptable.

              Still can't see Fred making the NBA. Too slow and not enough of a freak athlete to play at 5'10". Super excited about his remaining 3 years at WSU though.

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              • #37
                What's the problem with short point guards?

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                • #38
                  earl-boykins.jpg

                  Originally posted by Dan View Post
                  What's the problem with short point guards?
                  Isn't he darling?
                  Last edited by jpshocker; May 3, 2013, 12:44 PM.
                  "We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. As the general manager, I just can't figure out where else to play." -Pat Williams

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Dan View Post
                    What's the problem with short point guards?
                    Valley refs would blow a whistle on Duncan right there.
                    Kung Wu say, man who read woman like book, prefer braille!

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by RoyalShock View Post
                      I picture Tekele more as a 1st baseman than a shortstop.
                      I like to picture my Tekele in a tuxedo t-shirt because it's formal but it still means he's there to party.
                      ShockerHoops.net - A Wichita State Basketball Blog

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Kung Wu View Post
                        Valley refs would blow a whistle on Duncan right there.
                        If Higgins had seen this pic he'd be furious with the no call for sure.
                        "We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. As the general manager, I just can't figure out where else to play." -Pat Williams

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by jpshocker View Post
                          If Higgins had seen this pic he'd be furious with the no call for sure.
                          It's ok. He'd go to the monitor and call a double foul just to be sure.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by _kai_ View Post
                            I like to picture my Tekele in a tuxedo t-shirt because it's formal but it still means he's there to party.
                            "You Just Want to Slap The #### Outta Some People"

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Jamar Howard 4 President View Post
                              Sorry for throwing out an opinion. I guess only positive, uplifting, everything is possible types are acceptable.

                              Still can't see Fred making the NBA. Too slow and not enough of a freak athlete to play at 5'10". Super excited about his remaining 3 years at WSU though.
                              Me, too, JH, but do you know something the rest of us don't? Is Fred shrinking?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Jamar Howard 4 President View Post
                                Sorry for throwing out an opinion. I guess only positive, uplifting, everything is possible types are acceptable.

                                Still can't see Fred making the NBA. Too slow and not enough of a freak athlete to play at 5'10". Super excited about his remaining 3 years at WSU though.
                                JH4P, just wondering if you and KCShox ever get together to discuss realism/reality/keeping it real. I bet that get together is a real hoot.

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