New Proposed Rule Changes

[Kung Wu]

I'd like to propose:

Rule #2 - Section 13 - Article 2.d.4. Determine if a defensive goaltending foul occurred. When it is determined that a goaltending foul did not occur, any points awarded for the goaltending foul shall be deducted and the team that was incorrectly penalized shall be awarded the ball underneath their own basket.

[wusphlash]

The rule I want eliminated is the 5 second call. You already have a shot clock, what difference does it make if someone is dribbling around with a defender on his hip. Besides, it brings in two subjective judgements by the official 1) is the defender close enough and 2) counting to 5 (difficult for many). Just get rid of it.

[Kung Wu]

The rule I want eliminated is the 5 second call. You already have a shot clock, what difference does it make if someone is dribbling around with a defender on his hip. Besides, it brings in two subjective judgements by the official 1) is the defender close enough and 2) counting to 5 (difficult for many). Just get rid of it.

That's a good point. Less is more and if they want to really improve the game they need to prune laws instead of adding more.

[Ricardo del Rio]

The real issue here is that the charge/block rules need to be overhauled before anyone thinks of touching the shot clock.

Two thumbs up, way up.

[Kung Wu]

Two thumbs up, way up.

Ooh I missed his original post. He's so right! That's one of the worst rule combos in all of sports.

[60Shock]

Perhaps an improvement for our defense, but it seemed to me that our offense often had a lot of trouble getting a shot off in the allotted 35 seconds. This resulted in their having to either hurying their shots, calling time out, or getting called for the infraction.

There were numerous times when we could not penetrate, played catch, then had to throw-up a Hail Mary.

[SHOXAAC]

That's a good point. Less is more and if they want to really improve the game they need to prune laws instead of adding more.

If the USGA and R&A would do that the game of golf would improve as well.

[Kung Wu]

If the USGA and R&A would do that the game of golf would improve as well.

Right on.

[ShockTalk]

Perhaps an improvement for our defense, but it seemed to me that our offense often had a lot of trouble getting a shot off in the allotted 35 seconds. This resulted in their having to either hurying their shots, calling time out, or getting called for the infraction.

There were numerous times when we could not penetrate, played catch, then had to throw-up a Hail Mary.

This did happen too often. However, how many times did that happen after we used 9 seconds to walk the ball across mid-court and/or our offense had gotten stagnant?

[proshox]

The whole idea of trying to get to a spot and then get run over by the guy with the ball seems against the spirit of the game to me. It is hard to figure out how to make the rules more directed at intent, but I sure get tired of seeing defenses that aren't there to play defense. Charges should exist when they truly happen in the flow of the game, but I would love to see more contesting of shots and less sliding underneath. It would also make the game safer as you would see fewer guys getting flipped in midair and landing on backs, necks, heads, etc.

Now, the million dollar question. How do we actually change the rules in order to accomplish this?

This. This one interpertation of the rule has screwed up scoring more than anything else.

I think the easiest way to change the rule is to make the circle under the rim much larger. This year, it seemed as if the officials only worried about where the defender's feet were, but it wasn't far enough out to encourage dribblers to penetrate.

PJ would have been a much better player had this rule been in effect!

[The Mad Hatter]

This. This one interpertation of the rule has screwed up scoring more than anything else.

I think the easiest way to change the rule is to make the circle under the rim much larger. This year, it seemed as if the officials only worried about where the defender's feet were, but it wasn't far enough out to encourage dribblers to penetrate.

PJ would have been a much better player had this rule been in effect!

Since the NCAA restricted area is a 3 foot radius compared to the NBA's 4 foot radius and FIBA's 4.1 foot radius (1.25 meters), it would make a lot of sense to expand the restricted area of the college game to match the pro and international standard.

BTW, as a corollary to hating defenders getting charge calls for never attempting to contest the shot, my biggest officiating pet peeve is offensive players drawing defensive fouls for going into the body of a vertical defender. If there is no major lowering of the shoulder or extension of the arm, I have no problem with offensive players doing this to create space, but I am sick of defenders being called for fouls on those plays.

[Rlh04d]

Ooh I missed his original post. He's so right! That's one of the worst rule combos in all of sports.

Honestly, if we're trying to speed up the game, NOTHING slows it down more than these charge/block calls. Nearly every drive to the basket stops the clock. Biggest momentum killer in the sport.

I could care less if the shot clock was 45 seconds if they'd fix that. The game would still move faster.

I haven't really looked to see what the difference between the NBA and NCAA is on that rule, but I VERY rarely see charge/blocks in the NBA.

I also hate the way offensive players initiate contact and then just throw their arms up in the air to get it called as being in the act of shooting. If an offensive player initiates contact, it is not a foul, and throwing your arms up at the last second is not a shot attempt.

Lots of people seem to be looking at this as just how it impacts us. I could care less how it impacts us -- we have one of the ten best coaches in college basketball. He'll adjust to any rule change. I'm only looking at this as a college basketball fan.

[Rlh04d]

The whole idea of trying to get to a spot and then get run over by the guy with the ball seems against the spirit of the game to me. It is hard to figure out how to make the rules more directed at intent, but I sure get tired of seeing defenses that aren't there to play defense. Charges should exist when they truly happen in the flow of the game, but I would love to see more contesting of shots and less sliding underneath. It would also make the game safer as you would see fewer guys getting flipped in midair and landing on backs, necks, heads, etc.

Now, the million dollar question. How do we actually change the rules in order to accomplish this?

Is there a set amount of time that a player's feet have to be set for it to be a charge, or is it just as arbitrary as "they have to be set" ? It seems like in most cases a charge gets called if there is a fraction of a second of the feet being "set," which allows defenders to slide underneath the offensive player to draw the charge. If a timeframe isn't set, how about one second of not moving your feet? Half second?

As far as I'm concerned, it's not a charge unless the guy is just standing there and gets run the hell over. But I've got a much looser definition of the rules than most ;)

[wu_shizzle]

The lamest call in college basketball is the offensive player initiating contact with a vertical defender and getting the bail out call.

Considering the how the rest of the game is called, that BS has never made sense to me.

[Kung Wu]

The whole idea of trying to get to a spot and then get run over by the guy with the ball seems against the spirit of the game to me. It is hard to figure out how to make the rules more directed at intent, but I sure get tired of seeing defenses that aren't there to play defense. Charges should exist when they truly happen in the flow of the game, but I would love to see more contesting of shots and less sliding underneath. It would also make the game safer as you would see fewer guys getting flipped in midair and landing on backs, necks, heads, etc.

Now, the million dollar question. How do we actually change the rules in order to accomplish this?

This is another good post I missed.

Soccer solved this problem 150 years ago, but their solution would destroy "screen" tactics. But you could still borrow it. It's the (now replaced) "obstruction" rule. Essentially a defender cannot just jump in the way of an offensive player unless he has and makes a legitimate play on the ball. Otherwise he's obstructing (now called impeding).