RAFTERS

[wusphlash]

As I sat at the Celebration last night I started looking up at the rafters finding the spot where the Final Four banner would be hung. My eyes moved down to where I saw the Cleo Littleton, Dave Stallworth, Antoine Carr, Cliff Levingston, Xavier McDaniel and Ralph Miller banners hanging. I dawned on me that in all likelihood, one day a Gregg Marshall banner will be hanging there as well.

[choida]

We really need some new players names up there too...GOSHOX

[wufan]

As I sat at the Celebration last night I started looking up at the rafters finding the spot where the Final Four banner would be hung. My eyes moved down to where I saw the Cleo Littleton, Dave Stallworth, Antoine Carr, Cliff Levingston, Xavier McDaniel and Ralph Miller banners hanging. I dawned on me that in all likelihood, one day a Gregg Marshall banner will be hanging there as well.

Interestingly, not one of Littleton, Stallworth, Carr, Levingston, McDaniel or Miller ever went to a final four.

[LandStander]

What do you think it takes to get player up there? I would love to see Hall's name up there an point up in 10 years to my kids and tell them how I used to watch him play!

[wufan]

What do you think it takes to get player up there? I would love to see Hall's name up there an point up in 10 years to my kids and tell them how I used to watch him play!

A lot more awards than Carl Hall got. I believe that you have to be an All-American to be retired.

Of all the former players, Warren Armstrong/Jabali is the most deserving.

[shock]

Interestingly, not one of Littleton, Stallworth, Carr, Levingston, McDaniel or Miller ever went to a final four.

Who could be the first up with a final four? Baker? Wessel? VV? My money is on Baker. That kid has captured the nation like Gordon Heyward did.

[MadaboutWu]

Who could be the first up with two or more final fours? Baker? Wessel? VV? My money is on Baker. That kid has captured the nation like Gordon Heyward did.

Fixed.

[RampageWSU]

My money is on Early...assuming he gets drafted and has a productive NBA career.

[SubGod22]

My money is on Early...assuming he gets drafted and has a productive NBA career.

But that only works if they change the criteria for getting up there. Or he dominates this year and gets AA.

[jpshocker]

But that only works if they change the criteria for getting up there. Or he dominates this year and gets AA.

What is the criteria? One would think that if a player goes on to the NBA and is productive that it would be hard not to honor that but I'm not sure what it takes. Is there preference to 4 year players? Mo Evans doesn't get mentioned much in the annals of WSU history despite spending a brief period here and he could be considered a successful NBA figure. I realize that Early would have graduated here and finished his WSU career on good terms but otherwise there could be similarities drawn there. I agree too that Hall has been great but he is only a 2 year player and I would classify him in the ranks of Paul Miller who also became a fantastic big man for us and gave us 4 years. I guess this is just a long way of asking "what is the criteria?".

[SubGod22]

What is the criteria? One would think that if a player goes on to the NBA and is productive that it would be hard not to honor that but I'm not sure what it takes. Is there preference to 4 year players? Mo Evans doesn't get mentioned much in the annals of WSU history despite spending a brief period here and he could be considered a successful NBA figure. I realize that Early would have graduated here and finished his WSU career on good terms but otherwise there could be similarities drawn there. I agree too that Hall has been great but he is only a 2 year player and I would classify him in the ranks of Paul Miller who also became a fantastic big man for us and gave us 4 years. I guess this is just a long way of asking "what is the criteria?".

My understanding is in order to be in the rafters, you have to be named as an All American. Perhaps a VERY successful NBA career would get the nod, but not just a long career.

[im4wsu]

My understanding is in order to be in the rafters, you have to be named as an All American. Perhaps a VERY successful NBA career would get the nod, but not just a long career.

The criteria is being named an All-American (maybe it requires at least two lists). Having n NBA career has nothing to do with performance as a Shocker, so that would be inappropriate, IMHO.

[pinstripers]

one list

[SHOXAAC]

Only one name that deserves consideration for this honor is Warren Jabali (Armstrong). The established criteria of being honored as an AA is a lame excuse from jump street. I could be wrong, but Cliff was a 3rd team AA by College Basketball Times (or something like that). During Cliff's time at WSU, there were many recognized AA teams, while during Jabali's career in the late 60's the hosts of AA teams were very limited in numbers. The committee should step up and recognize Jabali. I have talked to a handful of Shocker fans that saw both Cliff and Jabali play, and all of them say Jabali was the better player. Jabali belongs in the rafters...yesterday!!!

[benishock]

Add me to the list. Jabali was the better player