Other Conference Tournaments

[GoShockers89]

Most of the argument is that the guy who was shoved to the floor put the offender in a virtual headlock before he was shoved. The ref whooshed on the initial headlock and only saw the dwarf toss.

[SubGod22]

His arm was up around the head, but that could very well be because the other guy had a forearm in the guys upper chest/pit area. The arm was up there, but I think headlock is a bit much.

[GoShockers89]

Most of the bubble teams' fates (along with our seeding line) will be determined today and tomorrow. Below are some key games this afternoon (times are CST):



NC State vs. Virginia- 1 PM on ESPN2- we want NCSU to take this one, as a win for UVA will likely move them onto the right side of the bubble

Butler vs. LaSalle- 1:30 PM on I'm guessing NBCSports?- go Butler. LaSalle is right behind WSU in many projections, a win could leapfrog us

Tennessee vs. Alabama- 2 PM on ESPNU- I don't think Tennessee leapfrogs us with a win here despite their h2h advantage on us

Tulsa vs. Memphis- 5:30 PM on CBSSports- this is one of the few remaining bid thief possibilities. Tulsa hosts the Conf USA Tourney, we need Memphis to win this one despite the SOS boost a Tulsa W would provide

Iowa State vs. Kansas- 6:30 PM on ESPNU- Iowa State is a seeding peer for the Shocks and it would be smart to root for KU. I just can't.

Vanderbilt vs. Kentucky- 6:30 PM on ESPN3- huge bubble game. SEC Tourney is in Nashville which helps Vandy, go Commmodores

UMass vs. Temple- 8 PM on NBCSports?- Temple has somehow jumped us in some projections. A loss here sends them tumbling back down.

Mizzou vs. Ole Miss- 8 PM on ESPN3- Ole Miss needs a win to get in. Mizzou is already solidly in and we can't jump them. Go Tigers.



There are others that are somewhat relevant (Iowa vs. Michigan State, etc.) that I was too lazy to include, but this at least hits the high points.

[ShockRef]

BINGO!

I went and found some video. I don't know how the coach got 2 T's, but I understand at least 1 from the video I saw. I also have no problem with the T after the first FT myself. The guy shoved another player to the ground after the ball had went in. That's a dead ball foul which the rules state is a T. Are you saying they should have just let the guy shove another player to the floor for no reason and not called anything? I know that's what Digger Phelps was arguing, but I'd have a hard time as an official accepting that we just ignore a non basketball play during a dead ball and pretending it didn't happen.

We have a winner!

We are mandated to get any non-basketball play at all times.

We cover non-basketball plays in pre-game with a simple message - there is no primary on a NBP. If you see, go get it.


Maintaining composure is paramount in every day life, even more so in a basketball game with 4.5 seconds to go and your team is winning.


And Digger is a dope.


That is all.

[newshock1234]

the only problem I had with that game was that they gave charlotte 3 shots, as I thought he was fouled way before he attempted a 3 from half court

[SubGod22]

the only problem I had with that game was that they gave charlotte 3 shots, as I thought he was fouled way before he attempted a 3 from half court

Seriously? The guy that tried to foul him before the shot reached and appeared to completely miss. The foul they called was on the guy that ran into him after he'd already left the floor. You could try and argue that he jumped to pass, but when he flung it towards the goal, you can't say he changed him mind after the whistle. You go off of what the evidence shows and he appeared to shoot the ball.

[newshock1234]

Seriously? The guy that tried to foul him before the shot reached and appeared to completely miss. The foul they called was on the guy that ran into him after he'd already left the floor. You could try and argue that he jumped to pass, but when he flung it towards the goal, you can't say he changed him mind after the whistle. You go off of what the evidence shows and he appeared to shoot the ball.

maybe i would have to watch it again, I just briefly saw it on halftime on one of the games. To me when I saw it, it had a NBA type continuation type feel to it.

[SubGod22]

maybe i would have to watch it again, I just briefly saw it on halftime on one of the games. To me when I saw it, it had a NBA type continuation type feel to it.

ONLY if they called it on the guy behind him that was reaching for him. I believe it was called on the guy that ran into him. By rule, as soon as you gather and are in the process of shooting/going up, you are in the act of shooting.

Some people will argue about continuation of a layup and I don't blame them as it's not called consistently, at least not at the HS level. As soon as the player picks up the ball, he's in the act of shooting. So he may be fouled right after that, but he still can take a step and finish his layup attempt. You could argue that the case we're talking about is similar. The player had dribbled and was going toward the basket. He picked the ball up and took/finished taking a step and was fouled in the act of shooting.

I saw the video being discussed late last night on officiating.com. Everyone seemed to agree with how the calls went. The only debate was if the coach deserved both T's. But as one guy said, we weren't on the floor and we don't know what he said. He definitely deserved one for marching to half court and screaming like that. I read one report where he'd been warned a couple of times about coming out of his box too far.

[GoShockers89]

I believe our board leads the nation in referee white knighting :)

[TheYeti]

Iowa State vs. Kansas- 6:30 PM on ESPNU- Iowa State is a seeding peer for the Shocks and it would be smart to root for KU. I just can't.

Vanderbilt vs. Kentucky- 6:30 PM on ESPN3- huge bubble game. SEC Tourney is in Nashville which helps Vandy, go Commmodores

UMass vs. Temple- 8 PM on NBCSports?- Temple has somehow jumped us in some projections. A loss here sends them tumbling back down.

Mizzou vs. Ole Miss- 8 PM on ESPN3- Ole Miss needs a win to get in. Mizzou is already solidly in and we can't jump them. Go Tigers.



There are others that are somewhat relevant (Iowa vs. Michigan State, etc.) that I was too lazy to include, but this at least hits the high points.

Hell I can root for KU if it means it ups our seed or even our chances of getting in. They win tonite, and I'm going to KC tomorrow!

[hoopsnut]

Watching Nebraska/Purdue and Maryland/Wake Forest.

We would boatrace any of these fools.

Similar things were said about Evansville and SIU this year. Fear nobody, but respect your opponent.

[GoShockers89]

Bouncing out early to go root on NCSU against UVA in person.

BC leading Miami 27-25 at halftime. I continue to pray to basketball Allah that we draw the Canes in our pod.

[shocktheheart]

NC State up 9 at half over Virginia. Butler up 3 over La Salle without about a minute left in the first half

[GoShockers89]

So far so good. NCSU leading UVA 30-21 at halftime. Butler leading LaSalle 37-35 at halftime.

UVA looks like absolute crap and their style of play makes your eyes bleed.

[GoShockers89]

Wolfpack laying the wood to UVA 46-30 w/13 and change to go. Butler up 50-40 w/12 remaining.

Nobody watching this NCSU-UVA game can possibly have the Cavs in the field...absolutely atrocious showing with their season on the line.