What Do We Do With 9 Valley Teams?

[DPruett2333]

The MVC cannot replace Creighton with one team, but can do so by bringing in three good/decent programs. Add Belmont, Murray State, and someone else and you'll rejuvenate the conference with new blood and keep the conference respectable.

[1972Shocker]

The MVC cannot replace Creighton with one team, but can do so by bringing in three good/decent programs. Add Belmont, Murray State, and someone else and you'll rejuvenate the conference with new blood and keep the conference respectable.

Perhaps the Valley should just bring in one new team for now and instead of adding teams that may or may not bring sustained value to the conference challenge or incentivise your existing programs to get better.

If SIU, BU and MSU can return to their previous stonger levels and if INS, ILS and UNI can maintain solid programs the Valley could be decent.

I'm not expecting too much out of DU and EU over the long haul and if the Valley wants to bring in more than one team it should be to replace Drake and/or EU in an attempt to strengthen the conference from the bottom up. This may happen as a matter of course in the next few years of its own accord.

[KC Shox]

Elgin needs to go big or go home. Creighton will be a huge loss and you cannot replace them with a single team. Unless of course we land a Butler, St. Louis, or other like, kind and quality program which won't happen. Therefore, Elgin needs to expand the MVC to a 12 team league by adding average to above average programs. My thought process is, three average programs that are capable of making deep runs = one Creighton.

Of course enticing another CU type program is ideal, but given that those types of programs within our footprint are already spoken for, settle for the next best thing, Denver, Belmont, Detroit, Milwaukee, ORU, and Valpo to name a few.

[pinstripers]

Western Kentucky, Murray State, UTA?

[lostshocker]

UTA?

University Texas-Austin?

[LuskingforGuttin]

Western Kentucky, Murray State, UTA?

WKU is going CUSA soon. I love Murray State and UTA (Arlington of course) makes sense. If we were thinking that way just throwing this out there, why not Sam Houston State. They have great football and baseball.

[HarpBros]

University Texas-Austin?

UT-Arlington the Mavericks they have decent basketball and Baseball.

http://mavsdaily.com/

[AZ Shocker]

This whole Creighton is leaving thing is pretty upsetting. No way they will schedule WSU in the foreseeable future. MVC takes a huge step backwards with them leaving. We had horrible leadership in the 90's and look where our basketball program was. The last decade has brought respectability back to Wichita St. basketball...but still not enough to have a better/bigger conference call our name. We will again be "stuck". WSU's leadership needs to be extremely proactive (if not aggressive) in pursuing a move to the MWC like NOW!!!!! Creighton's leaving kills the Valleys decently good national reputation.

Some of the talk here is to add Murray St., Valpo, Milwaukee, Texas San Antonio, Oral Roberts......my God guys...........YUCK!!!!!!
Proactive.....aggresssive.....proactive.....please Wichita St. leadership!!!!!!! Don't sit on your hands!!!!!!!

[SubGod22]

This whole Creighton is leaving thing is pretty upsetting. No way they will schedule WSU in the foreseeable future. MVC takes a huge step backwards with them leaving. We had horrible leadership in the 90's and look where our basketball program was. The last decade has brought respectability back to Wichita St. basketball...but still not enough to have a better/bigger conference call our name. We will again be "stuck". WSU's leadership needs to be extremely proactive (if not aggressive) in pursuing a move to the MWC like NOW!!!!! Creighton's leaving kills the Valleys decently good national reputation.

Some of the talk here is to add Murray St., Valpo, Milwaukee, Texas San Antonio, Oral Roberts......my God guys...........YUCK!!!!!!
Proactive.....aggresssive.....proactive.....please Wichita St. leadership!!!!!!! Don't sit on your hands!!!!!!!

Name better teams for the Valley to add. Some of you crap on every team mentioned. Of course we'd prefer the MWC or some other upgrade, but if that doesn't happen, we need the best options available for the MVC. So yes, solid, quality programs like Denver, Murray State, Belmont, Arlington etc. are what we should look for. Odds are, we aren't going anywhere. Not right away. Perhaps the MWC is open to the idea in a few years after they see what 11 is like for them. Perhaps another conference is open to nonfootball members in a few years. But until then, we should damn sure care about who the Valley adds. And if those other options never work out, we better have cared when this process of adding team(s) to the Valley took place.

[wusphlash]

STL will be fine as long as ISU/BU step up and become a player. Even if SIU can get respectably competitive. They'll sell a lot of tickets just because they're close. But if none challenge for the top spot, it'll be WSU on one side and a ghost town everywhere else.

I agree that we need the Illinois schools to perform for St. Louis to be successful. I think Barry will succeed with SIU and bring an entertaining brand of basketball to the Valley. Geno showed improvement this year and looks willing to play at a faster, more entertaining pace. Not sure what to think about Muller. Yes, it's only his first year, but the talent he had and the results he achieved make me wonder.

[wsubball96]

Beg/pay Dayton to join. They average over 12K a home game and its closer to St. Louis than Wichita.

[SubGod22]

Dayton will end up with the C7 in a year or two.

[Rocky Mountain Shock]

On another thread (can't remember which one and too lazy to look) someone said we couldn't go to 12 members because we'd have to split into divisions and we'd therefore end up playing fewer conference games. Can someone explain why we'd have to split the conference into divisions? Why can't we play a 22 game round robin conference schedule? Seems like this would solve some of our scheduling issues. Even some of our weak sisters have better RPI's than the nonconference chumps we schedule--and we wouldn't have to pay them to play at Koch.

[Snapshot9]

The question is: What is Doug Elgin doing about the conference? It seems to me like he is not very proactive, and is just content with the status quo. Reminds me of several of our Representatives and Senators who are content with their job security. We need someone younger, 45-50 years old, to run our conference.

[ShockTalk]

I prefer the idea of adding 3 teams, not 1. My thinking is this. As it stands now, even with CU in the Valley, we are generally considered a 2 bid conference at best. CU leaves, the odds say you become, more than likely, a one bid conference. I know that might be a reach given that WSU doesn't win in St Lou, but just play along.

If you add just 1 other team, undoubtably someone of much less stature than CU, you've probably added someone that may very well be a 1st division team in the Valley, but not necessarily one that's going to get a Dance card. The Valley is probably better off than if they were without that team, but the Valley still drops a place or two in conference stature.

Instead, add 3 teams of the same caliber as the 1 team above. Two things happen. First, one of three is more likely to earn a Dance card in any given year than just one. Second, adding 3 1st division Valley caliber teams raises the conference's standing, maybe back to where is was before CU left. You haven't replaced a team of CU's level, but you have brought in 3 quality teams that can raise the conference's RPI average more than if you added just the 1 team.