Wichita State at Creighton- Winner Take All Game Thread

[MoValley John]

As the Kansas City Chiefs showed this year, there is also etiquette for cheering. Don't cheer injured players too quickly either.

True.

[forevershockerfan]

FSF made it early to the Creighton game here. About the time I walked in, the Creighton team was approaching the floor to warm up. Our Student Section was already poised and ready and booed them in clamorous fashion. That made me grin from ear to ear and chuckle with delight. Oh my, did we offend somebody? In that case, who cares.

[MoValley John]

Boo the broad at the checkout counter who slows down the line with all her price checks, then dumps 25 coupons out, slowing everything else down even more. Don't get upset if you're in the slow checkout line at Wal Mart, though. Rule of thumb, every line at Wal Mart is the slow one.

[Awesome Sauce Malone]

I don't believe in booing.

you've lost me.

[MoValley John]

She's hot!

[forevershockerfan]

Boo the broad at the checkout counter who slows down the line with all her price checks, then dumps 25 coupons out, slowing everything else down even more. Don't get upset if you're in the slow checkout line at Wal Mart, though. Rule of thumb, every line at Wal Mart is the slow one.

The last time I was booed and hissed at was at the beach. I took off my shirt and was swiftly surrounded by the "save the whales crowd" trying hard to protect me while the other patrons booed and hissed me, beggin me to put my shirt back on baybay. I think my bicepts and tricepts were just too much? Muhahahahahaha

[I_Vector_Wu]

We were way up is Sec 205, they were booing the subsequent play (after the collision) with Carl under the basket. The CU crowd around me all clapped after MA and TC got up. Good sportsmanship. We chatted with CU fans walking to the arena. We chatted with CU fans sitting next to us and in front of us, all very cordial. The only smack talk came after the game walking outside the arena, a couple of the under 25 crowd with a little razzing, no biggie. Same story in St Louis the last couple of years, the "adult" crowd of CU fans always cordial if you start a conversation. Some of the younger more imbibed ones, well that goes with youth I guess. I think we were all there once.

The area around the CLink center was nice, PLENTY of parking, some bars/restaurants and Ameritrade BallPark. I wouldn't mind going up for the CWS sometime. Now ask me about the view from the 2nd to last row. Yikes!! I'm not really into watching a B-Ball game from an "out of body experience" point of view. A little surreal. I'll have to watch it on the DVR to catch some of the finer points of the game.

[60Shock]

Like it has been said several times before, there are always a few idiots at any game. The fact that the TC and MA received favorable support from the the Creighton fan base as they left the court certainly closes the issue for me.

[KC Shox]

I dont doubt for a second there were fans booing the players down. Not a reflection on the fan base as a whole because every fan base as there ass holes. Hell we got @KCShox:

I can assure you it wasn't me. Hell, I wasn't even watching the game or listening to it on the radio due to work. I get back to my hotel room and see the bad news. I did boo the end result, that's okay isn't it?

[Capitol Shock II]

I was at the game and our players were being bood. I didn't see it from my seat on Saturn but Malcolm was bleeding badly from his head after the collision with tekele. Also security went over and told the students to settle down their attacks on our players during warm ups.

[proshox]

You are well behaved here, and don't come here to start trouble, I just don't think that it really matters how many outright titles Creighton has had prior to this one. That said, I will jump from the pan into the fire, maybe piss off a bunch of Shocker fans and start a huge war, but everyone keep in mind, the following is only to demonstrate my opinion on trivial matters. The following, in my opinion, is trivial and probably shouldn't be brought up by people outside of the Wichita State community on a Wichita State board. Deep breathe, okay, here goes: IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT WICHITA STATE, MOREOVER, MARSHALL IS 4-2 AGAINST MCDERMOTT. In reality, it is a meaningless stat if you look at the bigger picture. Marshall swept McDermott in McDermott's first year, a year in which McDermott had to clean up the P'Allen mess and the disarray left over by Altman. The last two years they have played even. There, I potentially started a fire on this board using a somewhat irrelevant and trivial statistic. In my opinion, the championship discussion and the newly inserted coaches head to head records are trivial and don't matter much. With that, an opposing fan probably shouldn't debate them on the other team's board.

On the other hand, how fans and people behave, does matter. I don't want to be associated as a blood thirsty thug, lusting over injuries to college athletes. I was there, the behavior implied, implicates me and is far from accurate. Furthermore, every Shocker fan I encountered yesterday was treated quite nicely and moreover, they were very polite as well. Having a Wichita State fan that is upset over the outcome, posting something inaccurate about fan behavior can impact future fan behavior. It can impact the expectations of Shocker fans when they decide to come up to Omaha on future road trips. Those expectations can also affect how they behave while on a road trip- and those expectations can affect how Creighton fans are treated when they travel to Wichita for games against the Shockers. In my opinion, it does matter how fans in Wichita view the way that their brethren that traveled to Omaha were treated. As such, I responded. Lastly, if you look at the lack of debate from most Shocker fans, they probably either saw the events unfold live, or went back and reviewed what I said. They now know that nobody was booing their injured players, they know that their players were applauded when they left the floor. Will it make them hate Creighton any less? No, but it might keep them for unjustly hating Creighton more. I doubt it, but it also might help defuse a potential future fan altercation over this myth. The perception of how people are treated does matter. How many championships a team has, doesn't.

MO - all I can tell you is what I heard. Between boos there were consistent derogatory comments about stopping the game for the injuries. Cotton was acused of faking it in my sections by people around me (more than four groups of fans). Granted we were too far up to see the blood or the extent of the injuries. I assume the fans with a better view of the contact or blood were not booing the players.

With all of that said, 99% of the fans are great to be around. I make the trip every year and enjoy it each time.

[MoValley John]

MO - all I can tell you is what I heard. Between boos there were consistent derogatory comments about stopping the game for the injuries. Cotton was acused of faking it in my sections by people around me (more than four groups of fans). Granted we were too far up to see the blood or the extent of the injuries. I assume the fans with a better view of the contact or blood were not booing the players.

With all of that said, 99% of the fans are great to be around. I make the trip every year and enjoy it each time.

You need better seats. Nobody in my said anything. Then again, I sit just to the left of mid court in the lower bowl opposite the Creighton bench... Food and beverage service at your seat. Then again, I buy one beer a game, art the cheap beer shack and don't buy food so that service is a waste to me. I have never sat in the upper bowl, it looks scary-high. I can't speak for anyone up there. I certainly don't approve of it if it happened. I would guess it was few and far between. My guess is if they couldn't see blood, they didn't know the extent of the collision. That is no excuse, but the arena as a whole, myself included, was not being classless. On the flip side, I certainly hope the students were taunting the players in warmups, and pushing it to the limits. That I'd what students do. I would hope the Shocker student section does the same game. They don't call it a home court advantage for nothing.

[shox1989]

I was at the game yesterday. Just got back today.

Observations:

1. The CU crowd was DEFINITELY not booing our injured players. They were booing that there was no foul called against us and they were booing Marshall. To suggest otherwise makes us look extremely dumb as fans.

2. They have a very nice arena. But Koch is probably louder overall. But it has more to do with the way the buildings are built.

3. Doug McDermott is the best player this conference has seen in a loooong time. Glad he's moving on soon.

4. Carl Hall has a nice jump shot.

5. Early was invisible besides his sweet breakaway dunk.

I was there and just got back as well. I disagree with your number 1. The Cu fans around me were definitely booing our 2 players on the floor. They thought they were faking it and made it pretty clear from the things they were yelling. We were so high up none of us really knew what really happened.

I would also add to your list that the Cu student section was much better this year and was much better than our student section. Our student section usually stinks and I have never seen them as lively as the Cu students were yesterday. The Cu student section was probably drunker than ours, but whatever the reason, they were much livelier and active than our poor student section.

The crowd overall at the Clink was better than usual but still not up to the Shocker crowds. In fact in the first half the Shocker fans (at least the way they sounded from up high in our section) were drowning out the Cu fans at times.

The Shocker nation showed up well with Shocker fans all over the place. It is too bad we were all way up high (except that large group of Shocker fans that had a luxury box).

[I_Vector_Wu]

Just finished watching the replay. Wow what a difference it makes seeing the action up close. HOW many times did Etcha-Sketch try to set a screen and then slide his feet or give a shoulder or hip check. I guess that's okay now. How does McD create room on the drive, with his elbow/forearm leading the way of course. Tekele Cotton is one tough dude (but we already knew that). Very proud of the way the Shox hung in there. Can't wait for St Louis.

[Rixtoy1]

Daddys boy . . .

I haven't read this whole thread, so maybe this was mentioned, but it was a funny moment when Doug was shooting a free throw and the group of Shocker fans up where the oxygen masks were hanging from the ceiling started the "Daddy's boy" chant. I have to say the CU fans were stunned. Then on the second free throw I look up and the section below the Shocker fans are standing facing them and trying to drown them out with something of their own - end result is a lot of noise as Doug shoots (makes both, by the way). Pretty funny. Well done junior astronauts!