Start Fred NOW!!!!!!

[Aargh]

Armstead and VanVleet needed each other. VanVleet needed an experienced D1 PG to show him the ropes and hold the helm while FVV got up to speed. Then Armstead needed FVV pushing him for minutes, a starting spot, and being on the court at the end of games.

There was a time when it was a legitimate issue whether the Shox were better with FVV or Armstead running the show. Once the 5th year Sr. saw that a first-year Fr was pushing him for PT, the Sr kicked it up more than a notch or two.

Armstead needed the pressure from a True Fr and FVV needed Armstead's experience to grow into the D1 player he's becoming.

It's not one or the other. They both benefithuge from playing with each other. That's showing up big time when both are in the game. Armstead and FVV in tandem in the back court is one of the Shox best combos. Cotton and DWill are less than a whisker behind them, so all the back court players get breaks during games and over the season.

FVV makes Armstead better and Armstead makes FVV better. They appear to be figuring that out at about the perfect time of the season.

[The Mad Hatter]

Blame it on all the imbeciles that cleaned out the stores in preparation for our impending "super storm" (see thread: http://shockernet.net/forum/showthre...e-the-storm... )

I needed to let off some steam.


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Let me guess, you're mad because they got to the grocery store before you did, right? Otherwise, why would you care?

[ShockTalk]

Kindly subtract his two "All-Star" performances where he came in for mop-up minutes after we had already blown out the team. And it is noteworthy that he was one of our top players at Evansville... a game we lost.


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Actually, we lost at Tennessee as well. I, too, thought it interesting that those two games would be two of his better games. Odd he could do so well (given is lack of everything by your account) and so many other, much more talented and athletic players on the team could not. Perhaps if they had, we'd a won.

Hey, I can't subtract those games. Jake is the second youngest and second least experienced active player on a team load with talent. Many, many teams (even very good ones) would love to have a bench that deep. You gotta do well when given the time to play.

[choida]

weve lost five games to good teams...except Evansville...i think we are doing alright...i just wanna see us win Arch Madness, at least once in my lifetime

[C0|dB|00ded]

Let me guess, you're mad because they got to the grocery store before you did, right? Otherwise, why would you care?

When sheeple do something so outlandish that it catches my attention I become irritated.

P.S.

I drink almond milk, I have plenty of toilet paper, and I rarely buy the kind of bread that the sheeple cleaned the shelves of today.


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[ShockTalk]

weve lost five games to good teams...except Evansville...i think we are doing alright...i just wanna see us win Arch Madness, at least once in my lifetime

Ummm, you left out SIU, a 200 RPI team. But I agree, we're doing well. I, too, want to see us win in the Arch Madness as I probably don't have time for a repeat performance of what we've done in St Louis in the past.

[garylee]

what the hell is going on here with bashing ANY of our players? we have had a very good season
and they have all made important contributions to our success. MA has been a great player for
us and i hope he has saved the best for last. jake has played his role exceptionally well and has
been a solid contributor so why slam him? yes, i like jake, but i like all our guys and can/will
defend each and everyone. as for jake, he is only a soph. he made important contributions to
last years success and has done the same this year. i think ranking SECOND in rebounds per
minute, as well as, points per minute, is a pretty solid contribution. he also ranks fourth in
FG % and hustles his a** off........how can you NOT like that?

[shocka khan]

Cold is probably some arrogant kid who hasn't had life hit him upside the head with the 'ol 2X4 enough. If not, he's at least somewhat immature.

I remember people welcoming him back from his ban. If this is what got him in trouble the first time, I can only hope his next ban will last a little longer.

I say this because it will only be a matter of time before he is banned again for arrogantly disrespecting players or other posters.

By the way, give us your best shot on Jake, since you've 'only gotten started'.....I want to sit back and watch you make a jackass out of yourself.

[proshox]

Cold is probably some arrogant kid who hasn't had life hit him upside the head with the 'ol 2X4 enough. If not, he's at least somewhat immature.

I remember people welcoming him back from his ban. If this is what got him in trouble the first time, I can only hope his next ban will last a little longer.

I say this because it will only be a matter of time before he is banned again for arrogantly disrespecting players or other posters.

By the way, give us your best shot on Jake, since you've 'only gotten started'.....I want to sit back and watch you make a jackass out of yourself.

If you get bans for disrespecing players there are 3-4 paqes of posters at the beginning of this thread that should go. A few mistakes by MA had caused people to lose complete perspective on what he meant to this team.

[garylee]

Cold is probably some arrogant kid who hasn't had life hit him upside the head with the 'ol 2X4 enough. If not, he's at least somewhat immature.

I remember people welcoming him back from his ban. If this is what got him in trouble the first time, I can only hope his next ban will last a little longer.

I say this because it will only be a matter of time before he is banned again for arrogantly disrespecting players or other posters.

By the way, give us your best shot on Jake, since you've 'only gotten started'.....I want to sit back and watch you make a jackass out of yourself.

you call the last guy immature and then make such an immature comment yourself........name calling is what people
resort to when they can't make valid points. i have admitteded i like jake as a player, mainly because of attitude
and hustle, but jake's stats speak for him. not only is he second in rebounds and points per minute this year he
was FIRST in rebounds per minute as a freshman. now, i'm not going to claim what a great player he is GOING
to be as it is likely he will just continue to be a steady, unflashy, reliable role player that helps the team win games,
but all teams NEEDS players like jake. in addition, he showed what he can do defensively last saturday.

[rrshock]

Why did this have to come up again?

[SubGod22]

If you get bans for disrespecing players there are 3-4 paqes of posters at the beginning of this thread that should go. A few mistakes by MA had caused people to lose complete perspective on what he meant to this team.

I just reread the first 5 pages and outside of the emotionally charged first few posts after a horrible stretch by MA, nothing that bad was said. People pointed out that MA had lost his way and was trying to do too much. People were wanting his minutes reduced some and FVV's increased. Nobody was attacking him on all levels. His decision making was questioned, and rightfully so. He had a poor couple of weeks.

And lets face it, since Fred started playing more, MA has been playing better. He's making better decisions and not forcing shots like he was. The only reason this thread is still on page one is because you and Cold have tried to make it into something that it never was.

And there's a big difference in pointing out the negative parts of someones game after they've played horribly and attacking someone no matter what just because you don't like him.

[shocka khan]

Gary, please don't put words in my mouth. Reread the quote s-l-o-w-l-y. I said he was arrogant. In my opinion, he is. I said he was 'a kid'. He probably is. I said he was banned and in fact he had been. Go read some of his work on some of the other threads. While I like his enthusiasm, which is an admirable trait that many young people posess, his enthusiasticly negative criticism of Jake is clearly out of line, as many people here, including yourself (provided I am reading your comments correctly) have stated.

Please make sure you have your facts straight in the future before making unwarranted accusations. I try to choose my words carefully, and I don't like people taking my statements out of context.

[garylee]

ok, your words were "somewhat immature". in addition, you stooped to calling me a name when
all i did was defend a player. i like ALL of our players and respect their contributions

[ShockerFever]

Kindly subtract his two "All-Star" performances where he came in for mop-up minutes after we had already blown out the team. And it is noteworthy that he was one of our top players at Evansville... a game we lost.


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I could only imagine if EO dropped 18 in garbage time. I'm sure you'd have the same reaction to his output as you would Jake White's "garbage" points.