New bill would force KU and WSU to play

[Ricardo del Rio]

We're a socialist country, and have been for decades. It's time we accepted that >=)

Hello Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, and France. We are comin' to see you.

[Rlh04d]

Hello Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, and France. We are comin' to see you.

Interesting. I would say socialism is more associated with the Scandinavian countries than any of those. Most of which are higher than the US on the Human Development Index and comparable in per capita GDP PPP. Just as I'd associate "pure" capitalism to be the realm of China and Russia these days, with the states working as capitalist actors themselves.

I'd say we've been a hybrid country between capitalism and socialism to a large extent since FDR and the Great Depression (i.e. the entire history of the US as a super power).

And ... back to basketball.

[GoShockers89]

Sidenote, this will be hilarious if they give TCU their first Big XII win tonight.

[jocoshock]

I'm all for it. But let's be honest, we'd probably get our asses kicked most of the time.

We can handle losing 7 out of every 10 games to KU (which would happen if we always played at AFH). Problem is the KU Administration can't handle losing to WSU even once.

Note I said administration. I don't believe Bill Self or his teams would have a major problem with it.

[jocoshock]

Sidenote, this will be hilarious if they give TCU their first Big XII win tonight.

The irony would be too much. When KU lost to OSU, it was exactly the same circumstance as our loss the same day. Starting PG pisses the ball down his leg trailing by 3. They lose by 5.

[ISASO]

And after all the carnage that has taken place with KU losing to OSU at home and winless TCU, I still want to see this game. Let it be so, chickenhawks.

[ShockerFever]

KU will never schedule TCU again.



Oh wait.

[XManCometh]

KU will never schedule TCU again.



Oh wait.

And we'll never schedule Southern Illinois again.

Oh wait.

Hard to chuck stones at a team that's a 2 seed when we're fighting for a 12 seed and losers of our last 3. Even if it was the biggest RPI upset in the last 20 years of college basketball.

[ABC]

Interesting. I would say socialism is more associated with the Scandinavian countries than any of those. Most of which are higher than the US on the Human Development Index and comparable in per capita GDP PPP. Just as I'd associate "pure" capitalism to be the realm of China and Russia these days, with the states working as capitalist actors themselves.

I'd say we've been a hybrid country between capitalism and socialism to a large extent since FDR and the Great Depression (i.e. the entire history of the US as a super power).

And ... back to basketball.

The Scandavian countries are moving to the right - significantly reducing their welfare state and reintroducing free market stuff.

[ShockerFever]

And we'll never schedule Southern Illinois again.

Oh wait.

Hard to chuck stones at a team that's a 2 seed when we're fighting for a 12 seed and losers of our last 3. Even if it was the biggest RPI upset in the last 20 years of college basketball.

You defend KU a lot, it seems.

I'm just having some fun. I'm sure you were well aware of the fact that several KU fans enjoyed our loss. I guess their fanbase isn't above ours either, no matter how some people on here seem to want everyone to believe otherwise.

And FYI, that loss was wayyyyyyyyyyyy worse than ours.

[shockmonster]

And we'll never schedule Southern Illinois again.

Oh wait.

Hard to chuck stones at a team that's a 2 seed when we're fighting for a 12 seed and losers of our last 3. Even if it was the biggest RPI upset in the last 20 years of college basketball.

Are you showing your crimson color shaded glasses that interfere with your gold colored shades? You seem to be looking at it from their point of view. Personally, I think that it's ok if you support both.

[Rlh04d]

The Scandavian countries are moving to the right - significantly reducing their welfare state and reintroducing free market stuff.

Didn't say they weren't. But the Scandinavian countries got to where they are primarily off of what most in this country would point at and go "socialism!" while hissing. And I don't think anyone can argue that countries at the top of the Human Development Index, near the top in per capita GDP PPP, are significantly ahead of us in education quality, with very high marks in happiness, open and responsible government, and significant freedom (also sitting at the top of the Press Freedom Index; we're currently #47) are bad countries that we wouldn't want to be anything like.

Socialism and capitalism are opposite ends of a sliding scale. No country is purely one or the other, and the extremes of both are terrible. The trick is just deciding where the correct spot on that scale is.

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Also, good God, TCU? Seriously?

And, this bill has nothing to do with WSU winning games now or not, and it's not something that should be hurt by us losing games, or by KU losing games. This shouldn't have anything to do with short-term success. Simple question that should determine whether legislation should be made to force the games: Would a series between WSU and KU and a series between WSU and KSU be good for the state? Would the economic gains of those series -- short term and long term -- surpass the economic losses suffered by Kansas and Kansas State in potentially losing one home game every two years? Is helping WSU become a bigger basketball power good for the state of Kansas? If so, the legislation has a legitimate cause to get involved. It should have nothing to do with whether or not WSU could beat Kansas this season, or next season, or ever for that matter. What's best for the state of Kansas, and not just a small group of employees of the state of Kansas? End of the day, if the state of Kansas can use something as silly in the big picture as a college basketball game to improve the economy of the state, with almost no effort, while hurting no one except possibly slightly lessening one aspect of two state universities' athletic programs, why wouldn't that be something that should be done?

Looking at this situation as a matter of athletics is looking at it in too small a context. It's an economic issue, and all three universities involved are essentially state employees. Making state employees do what is best for the state's economy should go without saying, if it doesn't hurt those employees main goal, of which I can't see how it would possibly hurt the education provided by any of the three. If this legislation is just about basketball, it's easy to dismiss. Someone should look at the actual economic benefit created by a potential series, compared to a possible economic loss of a home game by KU (I'm not sure WSU or K-State would have to lose a home game, as they wouldn't be as opposed to a new home/home series as KU would be), and cast this in terms of what it actually is ... a matter impacting the state's economy.

[Ricardo del Rio]

And the only goodness, which should be considered, is economic goodness?

How about freedom for the underclass?

How about athletic justice?

How about equal opportunity?

Just wondering.

[Rlh04d]

And the only goodness, which should be considered, is economic goodness?

How about freedom for the underclass?

How about athletic justice?

How about equal opportunity?

Just wondering.

Equal opportunity to do ... what?

What is "athletic justice" ?

And what is "freedom for the underclass" ?

You're making up terms.

[shockmonster]

Socialism and capitalism are opposite ends of a sliding scale. No country is purely one or the other, and the extremes of both are terrible. The trick is just deciding where the correct spot on that scale is.

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Actually, if you want to be totally accurate, it would be a circle instead of a sliding scale with Communism and Fascism on opposite ends but meeting because both are economic systems where the governments are totalitarian in nature. Socialism and Capitalism would be equal on the circle but on opposite sides (of course Socialism on the Communistic side of the circle and Capitalism on the Fascist side of the circle). There are various levels of both Socialism and Capitalism on various points of the circle. That's why it is very difficult to define where socialism and capitalism begin and end. The definition is in the eye of the beholder.