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[BergundyJungle]

I asked about the two-for-one because isn't that essentially how the series ended? Roy and KU wanted two games in Lawrence for every game in Wichita, WSU refused and the series ended.

[C0|dB|00ded]

No defense mechanism here. Yes, I'd be excited to play them. I'd be excited to play Duke, Kentucky, Indiana, UNC and others. It'd be a lot of fun, but it doesn't dictate anything about how I view them or WSU or college basketball. I honestly don't care. I want us to play the best possible schedule we can put together every year. If that had KU on it, great. If not, we're fine and I'm not going to get worked up over it one way or another. If it were on the schedule, it may be circled, but certainly not in blood. Same as if we played any of the others listed above. It is what it is and I get tired of this topic coming up every year. Especially when started by the tool that started this one.

Okay, so if you had a choice to play either #5 KU or #4 Indiana, you would pick Indiana? C'mon man. It's okay to admit the fact that a game against KU means more than a game against others. NOW.. if KU wasn't in the top 25, that would be a whole other story. I wouldn't want to beat a shitty KU. I want to beat them when they are top 15 so there are no excuses.

a game against UNC would be my next choice for obvious reasons.


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[Kung Wu]

I asked about the two-for-one because isn't that essentially how the series ended? Roy and KU wanted two games in Lawrence for every game in Wichita, WSU refused and the series ended.

Well I think we took our worst butt whoopin' ever by them in the early nineties which is probably why KU wanted less games at The Roundhouse. Probably not unreasonable for them to ask for that back then. And not unreasonable for us to decline.

[rrshock]

I thought that there was a 3 for 1 offer made around the end of the Smithson time. WSU wouldn't take it.

[owenc]

I know it is generally frowned upon to inject facts into a thread like this but consider this my annual tilt at windmills post on this subject. WSU fans seem to always remember the 1981 game like it was yesterday but conveniently forget the 9 games played since then. KU did play WSU first at home and then two games in Kansas City and finally a series of 3 one and one games. 9 games over 10 years (4 in Lawrence, 3 in Wichita and 2 in Kansas City)

KU decided not to renew the series after the 1992 game in Wichita. He did so because that game was an absolute disaster. WSU behaved incredibly badly on every level. You can say whatever you want about KU expecting everyone to treat them like kings but they do deserve to be treated at least like any other team. They had already scheduled the 1993 game in Lawrence and honored that but Roy Williams swore they would never play WSU again. Then in 1993 WSU accused him of running up the score in retaliation for the previous year's treatment (which was probably a fair accusation).

Now you can say this was 20 years ago and you can say the coaches and administration have turned over but I can assure you that no one at KU has forgotten about all the crap that went down at that 1992 game. So say that KU is scared or stuck up or whatever but if you don't acknowledge that there were legitimate reasons why KU ended the series after committing to it for over a decade then you just aren't being genuine. Like my grandfather used to like to say, "act like an a-hole, get treated like an a-hole". WSU has no one to blame for that series ending but themselves.

It is worth noting that KU does play nearly every other team in the state at least every other year (K-State obviously, Fort Hays, Emporia, Pitt State, Washburn plus UMKC quite a bit). They just don't play WSU. That isn't some sort of accident. It is very intentional.

[WuDrWu]

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/a...state-zengers/


I am not jealous of KU basketball's success any more than I would be of Duke, Kentucky, etc. I simply hate the program because of its multi-faceted predatory behavior against WSU since the 1980's. They have attacked our athletic programs through the NCAA, they have attacked our academic programs through the Board of Regents, they have attacked our budgets through the legislature, and they have attacked our reputation through the media. I hate every single aspect of Kansas University and would be quite pleased if the entire campus burnt to the ground.

I won't date a woman that is a KU fan.

I won't have a conversation about KU with a family member or friend without saying something nasty.

If I am in a store and notice that KU garments/items are positioned in such a way as to minimize WSU's, I have been known to do a light reorganization of the store's inventory.

I routinely flip-off the ChicKUn Hawk that is hanging on our medical facility as I drive by on 135.

If I walk into a sports memorabilia store and see a disproportionate amount of KU to WSU items I ask why this is in the most sarcastic, shocked way possible.

If I am at a sport's bar watching a Shocker game and notice a waitress wearing a KU or K-State shirt, I ask her why.


All of this hatred was fostered through the realization of what KU had been doing to Wichita State both publicly and private over the last 30 years. Prior to around 1995 I was actually a KU fan. Rael LaFrentz was the last KU player I ever cheered for.

I want the Shockers to take something back from KU. The only way that is going to happen is if they meet up on the hardwood. Nobody can save them on the hardwood, not the NCAA, the Board of Regents, ESPN, or Dick Vitale. They will be vulnerable. They know this as well which is why they won't play us.

If you say that I am obsessed you would probably be correct. All I ask for is one game.


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'Cold has lots of good posts but this one tops them all. HOF

[AndShock]

I'm sure Bill Self is still upset about 1992.

[Kung Wu]

I know it is generally frowned upon to inject facts into a thread like this but consider this my annual tilt at windmills post on this subject. WSU fans seem to always remember the 1981 game like it was yesterday but conveniently forget the 9 games played since then. KU did play WSU first at home and then two games in Kansas City and finally a series of 3 one and one games. 9 games over 10 years (4 in Lawrence, 3 in Wichita and 2 in Kansas City)

KU decided not to renew the series after the 1992 game in Wichita. He did so because that game was an absolute disaster. WSU behaved incredibly badly on every level. You can say whatever you want about KU expecting everyone to treat them like kings but they do deserve to be treated at least like any other team. They had already scheduled the 1993 game in Lawrence and honored that but Roy Williams swore they would never play WSU again. Then in 1993 WSU accused him of running up the score in retaliation for the previous year's treatment (which was probably a fair accusation).

Now you can say this was 20 years ago and you can say the coaches and administration have turned over but I can assure you that no one at KU has forgotten about all the crap that went down at that 1992 game. So say that KU is scared or stuck up or whatever but if you don't acknowledge that there were legitimate reasons why KU ended the series after committing to it for over a decade then you just aren't being genuine. Like my grandfather used to like to say, "act like an a-hole, get treated like an a-hole". WSU has no one to blame for that series ending but themselves.

It is worth noting that KU does play nearly every other team in the state at least every other year (K-State obviously, Fort Hays, Emporia, Pitt State, Washburn plus UMKC quite a bit). They just don't play WSU. That isn't some sort of accident. It is very intentional.

Do you have a tape of the '92 game?

[SubGod22]

Okay, so if you had a choice to play either #5 KU or #4 Indiana, you would pick Indiana? C'mon man. It's okay to admit the fact that a game against KU means more than a game against others. NOW.. if KU wasn't in the top 25, that would be a whole other story. I wouldn't want to beat a shitty KU. I want to beat them when they are top 15 so there are no excuses.

a game against UNC would be my next choice for obvious reasons.


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I'd flip a coin. I really don't care. Both would be great games and generate a lot of exposure for us. Both have great home venues and national respect. Because I have many in my family that are KU fans, I'd probably lean that way, but it really wouldn't bother me either way.

[owenc]

I asked about the two-for-one because isn't that essentially how the series ended? Roy and KU wanted two games in Lawrence for every game in Wichita, WSU refused and the series ended.

No, they played 3 one and one series in a row and then after 1992 Roy Williams said they would never play WSU anywhere again. They had already scheduled the 1993 game in Lawrence and it was played. I'm pretty sure no games were ever discussed again until Self/Turgeon which was 10 years later.

[ABC]

I know it is generally frowned upon to inject facts into a thread like this but consider this my annual tilt at windmills post on this subject. WSU fans seem to always remember the 1981 game like it was yesterday but conveniently forget the 9 games played since then. KU did play WSU first at home and then two games in Kansas City and finally a series of 3 one and one games. 9 games over 10 years (4 in Lawrence, 3 in Wichita and 2 in Kansas City)

KU decided not to renew the series after the 1992 game in Wichita. He did so because that game was an absolute disaster. WSU behaved incredibly badly on every level. You can say whatever you want about KU expecting everyone to treat them like kings but they do deserve to be treated at least like any other team. They had already scheduled the 1993 game in Lawrence and honored that but Roy Williams swore they would never play WSU again. Then in 1993 WSU accused him of running up the score in retaliation for the previous year's treatment (which was probably a fair accusation).

Now you can say this was 20 years ago and you can say the coaches and administration have turned over but I can assure you that no one at KU has forgotten about all the crap that went down at that 1992 game. So say that KU is scared or stuck up or whatever but if you don't acknowledge that there were legitimate reasons why KU ended the series after committing to it for over a decade then you just aren't being genuine. Like my grandfather used to like to say, "act like an a-hole, get treated like an a-hole". WSU has no one to blame for that series ending but themselves.

It is worth noting that KU does play nearly every other team in the state at least every other year (K-State obviously, Fort Hays, Emporia, Pitt State, Washburn plus UMKC quite a bit). They just don't play WSU. That isn't some sort of accident. It is very intentional.

Chris,

Twenty years ago, seriously?

So who is being the a-hole now?

[owenc]

Do you have a tape of the '92 game?

I doubt it was televised but no I don't have a tape of it. I used to have a bookmark with a great Eagle story about the whole thing but it long since went behind their unsearchable pay per view stuff.

[newshock1234]

20 years ago lol, KU must hold grudges

[owenc]

Twenty years ago, seriously?

So who is being the a-hole now?

Well as I said in my post, that it has been 20 years is certainly a reasonable argument. But to just ignore what actually happened to end the series doesn't make much sense either. I'm sure there are plenty of people at KU that feel like 20 years is nothing considering the circumstances. As lots of people have pointed out, there are plenty of reasons for KU not to play WSU so for it to happen KU really needs to want to and with as much bad blood as there was after 1992 I don't think it is all that surprising that it hasn't happened. That doesn't mean it couldn't and it sounds like it almost did a couple of times but what happened 20 years ago does matter.

[newshock1234]

20 years ago I still didnt for forgive my cousin for spitting in my cheerios. Yup he must be a KU fan