South Florida (8-6) at Wichita State (10-4) Game Discussion: Jan 06 (Mon)

[Aargh]

The university owns much of the blame as to how this was badly handled in the first place. A three month suspension with required anger management...that would have gone a long way to calm the herd and protect the future of the program. Alas....

BoatButt made a deal with Golden to save his own ass by throwing Marshall under the bus. The fact that BoarButt got an extension and a 30%+ pay raise just as this was unfolding seems significant. BoatButt was exonerated and rewarded. If BoarButt was rewarded, then he did nothing wring and everything right, which left Marshall to take the heat.

It seems that the outcome of the investigation was decided by BoatButt and Golden before the investigation was completed.

Another thing I thought was significant was that none of the players who were current at that time came to Marshall's defense in public. They credited him with making them better people and making them better players, but that's not defending him against the accusations and allegations. A lot of earlier players came to Marshall's defense.

If WSU hadn't been losing 4 - 7 players every year (before the portal), national media would have never given the situation here a second glance. When a school is leading the nation in transfers, somebody is going to want to write a story about why that is happening. It should have been obvious to every WSU fan that SOMETHING was going on with all the transfers.

[Maizerunner08]

BoatButt made a deal with Golden to save his own ass by throwing Marshall under the bus. The fact that BoarButt got an extension and a 30%+ pay raise just as this was unfolding seems significant. BoatButt was exonerated and rewarded. If BoarButt was rewarded, then he did nothing wring and everything right, which left Marshall to take the heat.

It seems that the outcome of the investigation was decided by BoatButt and Golden before the investigation was completed.

Another thing I thought was significant was that none of the players who were current at that time came to Marshall's defense in public. They credited him with making them better people and making them better players, but that's not defending him against the accusations and allegations. A lot of earlier players came to Marshall's defense.

If WSU hadn't been losing 4 - 7 players every year (before the portal), national media would have never given the situation here a second glance. When a school is leading the nation in transfers, somebody is going to want to write a story about why that is happening. It should have been obvious to every WSU fan that SOMETHING was going on with all the transfers.

Makes you wonder what might have happened if this saga happened now. I don't think there would be anyone paying notice to large turnover.

What I want to know is why WSU is so bad at structuring contracts. As if we didn't learn our lesson with Brown, we doubled-down with Mills. There is no better job than head coach at WSU--win or lose, you'll be making bank.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Oh the children! Dear GOD the children!

We are a nation of child worshipping enablers who spend 100% of our free-time making sure princess is 100% satisfied 24/7.

There are two classes of kids in this country now: the totally abused/neglected and the ultra-coddled. My money's on the kids coming from tough places.

Shaq was a baby, mentally and otherwise. He will forever cherish those 1.5 yrs when Marshall forced him to act as a man.

[C0|dB|00ded]

What I want to know is why WSU is so bad at structuring contracts. As if we didn't learn our lesson with Brown, we doubled-down with Mills. There is no better job than head coach at WSU--win or lose, you'll be making bank.

Because it takes two signatures to create a contract. WSU doesn't just get to dictate what it wants to any prospective coach. We are nowhere near that kind of destination. WSU did exactly what it had to in order to sign the odd-looking little man from ORU. A good contract is one where both parties leave the table a bit unsatisfied. He took a BIG risk coming here. And he's getting exactly what he expected most likely.

[ShockBand]

That type of buyout is pretty common. Here is the buyout for Tang, based on his renegotiated contract from this past summer:

Should K-State choose to make a coaching change before April 30, 2026, it would owe Tang $18.7 million. That number begins to drop annually from there. The Wildcats would owe him $15.75 million the following year, then $12.75 million, then $9.7 million, then $6.5 million and finally $4.4 million or the remaining unpaid base salary on his contract in the final year of his deal.

https://sports.yahoo.com/jerome-tang-gets-big-raise-202333013.html

[BostonWu]

That type of buyout is pretty common. Here is the buyout for Tang, based on his renegotiated contract from this past summer:

Should K-State choose to make a coaching change before April 30, 2026, it would owe Tang $18.7 million. That number begins to drop annually from there. The Wildcats would owe him $15.75 million the following year, then $12.75 million, then $9.7 million, then $6.5 million and finally $4.4 million or the remaining unpaid base salary on his contract in the final year of his deal.

https://sports.yahoo.com/jerome-tang...202333013.html

Yeah and they can afford an underachieving $2M man and lavender vettes. Must be nice.

[Shocktoberfest]

Yeah and they can afford an underachieving $2M man and lavender vettes. Must be nice.

And they still stink! What a stupid arms race we find ourselves in. So stupid!

[asiseeit]

And they still stink! What a stupid arms race we find ourselves in. So stupid!

Especially for mid majors to engage in

[ShockBand]

How long will schools continue to throw piles of cash with middling results? Is it sustainable?

[pinstripers]

Another thing about South Florida, man for man, they had more quickness than us. We couldn't press them, while they did disrupt us.

[Kung Wu]

Yeah and they can afford an underachieving $2M man and lavender vettes. Must be nice.

Our enrollment is higher than K-State's. How does this get made right?

[Aargh]

All the NCAA has to do is outlaw the purchase of a player's NIL rights. I believe that's the big loophole.

Take Hwkins from K State as an example because we're familiar with him. The collective paid him $2 million. Hawkins doesn't have to do anything to earn the money. The collective is on the hook for lining up the deals to recover their investment. Pay to play is illegal, but there's nothing preventing the collective from purchasing the rights to his NIL marketing. Then the collective owns the rights to his NIL revenues. They can market his NIL as they see fit. The collective has made a business investment and, in the case of Hawkins, will likely lose $2 million on their investment.

There would still be a giant loophole. Players could hire agents to market their NIL. Those agents would go to businesses and individuals with ties to the school and set up sweetheart deals that paid a million dollars to a star athlete for filming a 30-second commercial for a car dealer. There would have to be some rules enforcing "arms-length" transactions. It would get too complicated for the NCAA to rule and enforce. It could be codified and enforced, but not by the NCAA, which has totally sold out to the big money schools in the power conferences.

[Dan]

There is no ROI with NIL. Maybe you get some services from the student in the form of advertising, but guess what? Nobody gives a **** about guys like Hawkins peddling cars on a commercial. 99% of them have zero brand value.

[N Crestway]

Another thing about South Florida, man for man, they had more quickness than us. We couldn't press them, while they did disrupt us.

Given metro Tampa, South Florida has a significantly larger local recruiting base for starters. I believe Wichita the second smallest metro in the AAC, New Bern N. Carolina being smaller.

[BostonWu]

Our enrollment is higher than K-State's. How does this get made right?

Enrollment has nothing to do with boosters and NIL warchest.