Wichita State (9-3) at Temple (7-5) Game Discussion: Jan 03 (Fri)

[BostonWu]

We can get to 22 wins without beating a single Top 100 team.

Oh i take that back, UNI is Top 100 .. 8-5 UNI would be our best win.

We need to stop looking at Win count as a measure of success, by itself its pointless. Mills has a history of inflating win count with easy schedules. We need to consistently beat good teams ALONG with a high win count for it to not be a disappointment.

Feeling like we'll end with a high win total yet no postseason. Looking at the remaining schedule it feels like the valley. Then fans will point to evidence of progress or not to support their viewpoint. It depends what the goals are. It's a pretty divided fan base and will only grow more so if this plays out.

[Topshock]

Dude. If you missed K-State, you missed one of our best games in many years. Also, you missed the best dunk since Tekele. There's still stuff to watch!

This is true! Even in the 90's, if you love basketball, there were plenty of moments worth seeing at games.

[cjp27]

I still think 12-6, 22-9 overall with a chance of the NIT. That's about what I thought before the season. On the surface that's good progress for year 2, but it doesn't take 4-5 years to build a winner now either. I'm not sold on Mills but not ready to write him off either.

The test is going to be next year. Mills is going to lose almost every single contributor next year. If he can manage to improve next year with basically a whole new team, maybe people start buying in. I certainly would.

If we take a big step back, and we're hearing about needing to rebuild after losing 9 seniors it's going to get ugly.

[ShockTalk]

Hill and Ballard will be hard to replace. Beverly...Has his moments but is easily replaced. Washington is a keeper, for certain!
The rest of the SR's are average at best players (basically Valley level types) and you can throw McGinness in with them.
This staff has recruited a lot of role type players and not many have the ability or talent to take this team to the next level or a winning platform.
Quite simply, they just aren't that talented.

The Meeks situation and his injury or whatever it is, is killing this team inside. Both in talent, depth and of course the fatigue factor really causing major headaches.

That is all.

Interesting that you say that given the American Conference is rating at or below the MVC in many (maybe most) of the ratings of conferences this year.

[abdullah_sharif]

This is true! Even in the 90's, if you love basketball, there were plenty of moments worth seeing at games.

that a lot of the trouble. I miss team basketball.. this fu¢k around on the perimeter for a while then drive to the basket as the shot clock nears zero is so tough to watch.

[MadDog]

I still think 12-6, 22-9 overall with a chance of the NIT. That's about what I thought before the season. On the surface that's good progress for year 2, but it doesn't take 4-5 years to build a winner now either. I'm not sold on Mills but not ready to write him off either.

The test is going to be next year. Mills is going to lose almost every single contributor next year. If he can manage to improve next year with basically a whole new team, maybe people start buying in. I certainly would.

If we take a big step back, and we're hearing about needing to rebuild after losing 9 seniors it's going to get ugly.

I know everyone is freaking out about this year, but next year omg!

We’re going to lose 98% of our scoring. Our only returner with any experience would be Joy, our nineth or tenth man. I realize Washington is a junior, but I’m sure Memphis and Arkansas realize that as well. 90% chance he’s not coming back. The portal is going to be absolutely critical this off season. Somehow, someway we’re going to have to get underclassmen out of the portal. As bad as everyone seems to think we are this year, the potential is there for it to be way worse next year.

[rjl]

After WSU joined the AAC in 2017, Gregg Marshall's teams went 3 - 3 against Temple, and 0-2 at Temple. So, in isolation, this loss isn't too terrible.

Still doesn't keep me from wanting to take a dump all over Mills, though. This team is all over the place. After getting our cheeks clapped by UKC only sterling performances the rest of the season will have us walking right. And this aint it.

[asiseeit]

We can get to 22 wins without beating a single Top 100 team.

Oh i take that back, UNI is Top 100 .. 8-5 UNI would be our best win.

We need to stop looking at Win count as a measure of success, by itself its pointless. Mills has a history of inflating win count with easy schedules. We need to consistently beat good teams ALONG with a high win count for it to not be a disappointment.

My own measure for success is averaging more than 9K in attendance. Don't think I am ever going to see it again though. BTW, I go back to when the roundhouse first opened.

[Stickboy46]

I still think 12-6, 22-9 overall with a chance of the NIT. That's about what I thought before the season. On the surface that's good progress for year 2, but it doesn't take 4-5 years to build a winner now either. I'm not sold on Mills but not ready to write him off either.

The test is going to be next year. Mills is going to lose almost every single contributor next year. If he can manage to improve next year with basically a whole new team, maybe people start buying in. I certainly would.

If we take a big step back, and we're hearing about needing to rebuild after losing 9 seniors it's going to get ugly.

22-9 with our schedule/conference isn't going to sniff the NIT.

[Aargh]

Someone said apathy has set in? It definitely has. I haven’t bothered to watch any of the last 3-4 games, other than checking score online. I can tell I haven’t missed a thing. So sick and tired of Mills. At this point, he’s got a senior laden team HE kept and put together. All this “experience” and he can’t even sniff the ******* NIT.

Closely creeping from apathetic to actively disliking the whole program, given this is really starting to look like our identity from here on out.

Call me crazy, but program that we all loved would’ve never lost to freaking UMKC.

My memory isn't what it once was, but I seem to recall a previous loss to UMKC. I believe that was during the time frame when the program became "the program we all loved".

[pinstripers]

After WSU joined the AAC in 2017, Gregg Marshall's teams went 3 - 3 against Temple, and 0-2 at Temple. So, in isolation, this loss isn't too terrible.

Still doesn't keep me from wanting to take a dump all over Mills, though. This team is all over the place. After getting our cheeks clapped by UKC only sterling performances the rest of the season will have us walking right. And this aint it.

Temple had some good teams. This isn't one of them, is it?

[Aargh]

Unless we get some MAJOR NIL donations, there's not much reason to expect a good recruiting class. Players sign with the highest bidder. I'm not a Mills fan, but he's what we've got for the next couple of years. VMI says they are paying $4 mill in NIL, and they are not paying a football team.

In the current era with NIL and the portal, the quality of basketball a school can put on the court is directly related to the amount of money that school can pay players. It appears that WSU is losing the NIL arms race. As long as that is lost, a coach has limited ability to attract quality players.

Arkansas paid Ricky Council $250,000, which was probably more than WSU paid to the entire team. Council would go for considerably more in today's market.

National relevance for WSU basketball is probably dead unless there are big changes to NIL rules or WSU can raise the $7 million in NIL funds that Saal says the program needs. $7 mill won't put WSU in competition with the power conferences, but would put us toward the top end of the non-power conference teams. If that's where you want to be, then find a way to get that $7 mill. In the meantime you can gripe about how the coach can't recruit. Firing the coach just increases the expenses of the athletic department, and uses money that could otherwise go toward NIL.

[Onegreatracer]

NIL conversations are irrelevant with revenue sharing coming in the next 2 years. Gotta have an athletic department that turns a profit.

[Dan]

If I’m Washington, I’m not sticking around for the shitshow next year

[Ashockalypse]

that a lot of the trouble. I miss team basketball.. this fu¢k around on the perimeter for a while then drive to the basket as the shot clock nears zero is so tough to watch.

Truth!