Shockers @ VCU- November 13th, 2012 (ESPNU)

[C0|dB|00ded]

The only thing that needs to be admitted is you said something epically stupid and got called out on it. Everyone on this board watched him school other bigs at many levels of the NCAA.

He was skilled for a big man coming out of high school and eventually learned how to use his size effectively (think of the little scoop-move he would pull off while moving past the basket). But.... imagine if he was 6'7". At that height his lack of athleticism would be glaring. It's certainly going a bit far to say he was the least athletic in the entire NCAA, but his lack of strength, speed, and elevation were problems he had to learn to work around.

I would be very interested to know what percentage of his total career points came from the free throw line. I know he scored more in the paint his senior year, but early on he did a large amount of his work from the charity stripe. That shows just how hard it was for him to learn to score in the paint. That shouldn't be a problem for a man who is 7 feet tall.


T


...:cool:

[Kung Wu]

It's certainly going a bit far to say he was the least athletic in the entire NCAA, but his lack of strength, speed, and elevation were problems he had to learn to work around.

Thank you.

[shockmonster]

CBB and anyone else. This is stupid. Without Stutz, we wouldn't have done what we did last year. He was one of our best players.

All you should say is that we'll be more athletic at the Center position this year. There is no reason to tear down one of the best kids (both as a player and as a person) on our team. I'm proud that he was a Shocker.

[ShockerFever]

Slow enough to earn 1st Team All-Valley honors?

With EO's superior athleticism and agility, how many awards has that gotten him?

[CBB_Fan]

CBB and anyone else. This is stupid. Without Stutz, we wouldn't have done what we did last year. He was one of our best players.

All you should say is that we'll be more athletic at the Center position this year. There is no reason to tear down one of the best kids (both as a player and as a person) on our team. I'm proud that he was a Shocker.

Did I ever say that he wasn't a good player or that I wasn't proud of him? He was a good basketball player. And a bad athlete. Those two can co-exist, at least at the college level (much harder in the pros).

But the fact of the matter is that if he was shorter or less skilled, he would never have played D1 ball. He learned to play effectively with a good shooting stroke and good post moves, despite his athletic disadvantage. But that disadvantage was exploited by fast teams, including VCU, and that disadvantage is not a part of our team anymore. It is completely reasonable to say that when talking about playing VCU, because that team was basically Stutz's kryptonite.

[shockmonster]

Did I ever say that he wasn't a good player or that I wasn't proud of him? He was a good basketball player. And a bad athlete. Those two can co-exist, at least at the college level (much harder in the pros).

But the fact of the matter is that if he was shorter or less skilled, he would never have played D1 ball. He learned to play effectively with a good shooting stroke and good post moves, despite his athletic disadvantage. But that disadvantage was exploited by fast teams, including VCU, and that disadvantage is not a part of our team anymore. It is completely reasonable to say that when talking about playing VCU, because that team was basically Stutz's kryptonite.

Kryponite? It was one game. He played poorly against Creighton twice. Were they so fast, they exploited him? They were a slow team. I saw him take the ball at the top of the circle, drive it, and jam it against them. Does that make him athletic? That was one play. c'mon, quit trying to be so smart and analyzing things that should have been done last spring. He's gone and let's move on and talk about this years team. Leave him be unless you want to share some of his successes overseas.

[Dan]

Other teams had to design their gameplan against stopping stutz. He may not have been an NBA draft pick but he was a differene maker and he helped us win a lot of games. Yes it was frustrating seeing him get stuffed by 6 footers at times but more often than not he was the reason we won so many games.

[GoShockers89]

Ridiculous.

Garrett was no Antoine Carr, but he was also no Pieter Van Tongeren. His lack of foot speed held him back against elite opponents no doubt. However, he was infinitely more athletic than at least 70% of MVC centers (Echenique, Carmichael, and who else?). Ball handling skills, passing and perimeter shooting do factor into athleticism, fyi, it isn't just about verticals and 40 yard dashes.

And being more athletic than 70% of MVC centers places you in the top quarter or so of all NCAA centers in terms of athleticism. You can't convince me that more than a few of the bottom 20 conferences had guys capable of making the kind of plays GS did night in and night out. Just because they are 6'6" and playing "center" in the SWAC does not mean that a guy who deserves to be a backup 3 in the MVC is more athletic than Stutz as a 5 for Grambling.

Garrett compared favorably to Paul Miller in nearly every aspect his senior season. Neither was a phenomenal athlete, but you guys are massively overestimating what constitutes "normal athleticism" at the 5 spot in a Division 1 which includes over 300 teams.

[forevershockerfan]

VCU made the very best of their opportunities and man did they get a huge break here at 21st and Hillside. With less than 1 tick of the clock left, their best free-throw shooter throws up a prayer that was not even close to going through the net. But wait!! Are you kidding me? A whistle occurs. Really? Rags slightly touched that player barely with his hip and on our court, of couse, it was unbelievably called, and the rest is History. Rarely does that 'touch foul play' get called like that, but it did that time.

From there VCU continued to play solid D and even beat KU that year and made the very best of their lucky break in Wichita. Otherwise, would they even have Danced that Season? I seriously doubt it. They too were on the bubble. VCU have a solid Coach and he has displayed that Defense will take you places. Last Season, our game with VCU could have went either way. They live and die by their D., but also hit some big shots at the end and we did not. The next game, VCU was beaten by Indiana State if I recall.

This Season, VCU has most every player returning with some solid recruits and we play them at their yad. Are we scared or intimidated? Naaa!! Maybe the 'basketball gods' will serve up some karma to even out the fortune they received here? Even with that 'scarce call' they received here, their best free throw shooter made both shots to seal the deal. Thus, sometimes it takes more than just happenstance to execute the big win they had here. We won't win every game this Season. However, we won't be intimidated and plan on winning at least 20, maybe more.

[im4wsu]

I would be very interested to know what percentage of his total career points came from the free throw line. I know he scored more in the paint his senior year, but early on he did a large amount of his work from the charity stripe. That shows just how hard it was for him to learn to score in the paint. That shouldn't be a problem for a man who is 7 feet tall.

For Stutz's career:

Season	FTM	Points	Percent
Fr	21	138	15.2%
So	70	274	25.5%
Jr	65	236	27.5%
Sr	92	424	21.7%
Career	248	1072	23.1%

Last season, compared to other Shockers:

Murry	26.2%
Orukpe	25.0%
Hall	22.5%
Williams	21.9%
Stutz	21.7%
White	21.4%
Cotton	19.6%
Ragland	16.3%
Smith	13.9%
Kyles	13.1%
Anacreon	12.0%
Wessel	0.0%
Vautravers	0.0%

[ShockTalk]

He was skilled for a big man coming out of high school and eventually learned how to use his size effectively (think of the little scoop-move he would pull off while moving past the basket). But.... imagine if he was 6'7". At that height his lack of athleticism would be glaring. It's certainly going a bit far to say he was the least athletic in the entire NCAA, but his lack of strength, speed, and elevation were problems he had to learn to work around.

I would be very interested to know what percentage of his total career points came from the free throw line. I know he scored more in the paint his senior year, but early on he did a large amount of his work from the charity stripe. That shows just how hard it was for him to learn to score in the paint. That shouldn't be a problem for a man who is 7 feet tall.


T


...:cool:

For Stutz's career:

Season	FTM	Points	Percent
Fr	21	138	15.2%
So	70	274	25.5%
Jr	65	236	27.5%
Sr	92	424	21.7%
Career	248	1072	23.1%

Last season, compared to other Shockers:

Murry	26.2%
Orukpe	25.0%
Hall	22.5%
Williams	21.9%
Stutz	21.7%
White	21.4%
Cotton	19.6%
Ragland	16.3%
Smith	13.9%
Kyles	13.1%
Anacreon	12.0%
Wessel	0.0%
Vautravers	0.0%

Which 7'er are you taking about, Cold?

Just imagine if EO was only 6'7". Apparently being 7' and athletic isn't a sure ticket to learning to score in the paint.

Yes, it would be nice to have a player with EO's athletic gift and Garrett's skill/BBIQ, but (so far), that hasn't happened.

EO may still have a year that rivals Garrett, but for a WSU career, Stutz will be unmatched by EO.

[HarpBros]

Games that defined 2012-13 season

Wichita State-VCU, Louisville-ND among key matchups that shaped season

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9155253/twelve-games-defined-2012-13-season-college-basketball

• Nov. 13, Wichita State Shockers at Virginia Commonwealth Rams
The Shockers were replacing four starters from a 27-6 team that had lost to VCU as a 5-seed in the 2012 NCAA tournament. The likelihood that Wichita State would win on the road at an even-better VCU in the second game of the season seemed remote. Yet the Shockers prevailed 53-51, giving us a very early indication of what would be possible just four months later.
By Joe Lunardi

[Cdizzle]

Wichita State-VCU, Louisville-ND among key matchups that shaped season

http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9155253/twelve-games-defined-2012-13-season-college-basketball

• Nov. 13, Wichita State Shockers at Virginia Commonwealth Rams
The Shockers were replacing four starters from a 27-6 team that had lost to VCU as a 5-seed in the 2012 NCAA tournament. The likelihood that Wichita State would win on the road at an even-better VCU in the second game of the season seemed remote. Yet the Shockers prevailed 53-51, giving us a very early indication of what would be possible just four months later.
By Joe Lunardi

Oh NOOOOOWW that game existed.

[SPEShockAlum]

Ran into Shaka Smart on Sunday morning just walking up the street. He said he wants a home-and-home.