2024-25 Bracketology

[ShockerFever]

1 bid conference as a 10 seed? Woof

Is this like the 4th or 5th preseason in a row Memphis has been projected to go?

It’s all about those stars and that high NBA pedigree that Penny instills.

Most overrated program in college basketball. They’ll fall on their face again and then maybe the hype train will come crashing down once and for all.

[WuShock Reaper]

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/bracketology/ncaa-bracketology-2025-march-madness-men-field-predictions

By Joe Lunardi
Updated: 10/22/2024 at 9:00 a.m. ET

Teams Of Interest
7th Seed – Florida
8th Seed – Wake Forest
9th Seed – Kansas State
10th Seed – Memphis

First Four Out
None

Next Four Out
None

[WuShock Reaper]

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/bracketology/ncaa-bracketology-2025-march-madness-men-field-predictions

By Joe Lunardi
Updated: 11/19/2024 at 11:15 a.m. ET

Teams Of Interest
6th Seed – Florida (up one seed line)
8th Seed – Memphis (up two seed lines)
9th Seed – Wake Forest (down one seed line)

First Four Out
None

Next Four Out
2nd spot - Kansas State (previous 9th Seed)

[Maizerunner08]

KSU has not looked like a tourney team.

Not even a bubble team.

[WuShock Reaper]

[BAShocker]

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but this almost looks like a new metrics bid grab by the power - whatever conferences. Hope I am wrong.

[Kel Varnsen]

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but this almost looks like a new metrics bid grab by the power - whatever conferences. Hope I am wrong.

It's actually the opposite. It gives a level playing field to judge smaller schools against power conference teams.

Team wins - (projected amount of wins vs. their schedule for a bubble team) = Wins Above Bubble

Link

It would have been much more favorable to teams like Indiana State last year (should have been a 7 seed) and North Texas in 2023.

[Atxshoxfan]

The word "expected", just makes this a stupid measuring stick. Who sets this " expected" win rate?
College basketball is going down the tubes in every way lately.

[Kel Varnsen]

The word "expected", just makes this a stupid measuring stick. Who sets this " expected" win rate?
College basketball is going down the tubes in every way lately.

Algorithms set the expected win rate based on predictive metrics, accounting for each game's score, pace (possessions), and location. You've heard of KenPom right? WAB would be using the predictive ratings to establish a baseline for all 360+ teams of what the predicted number of wins of a hypothetical bubble team would be. Every iteration of this, whether Torvik or Seth Burn has done it, has led to more favorable treatment for mid-major schools.

It's one of the few developments in college basketball that's actually moving in a positive direction.

John Gasaway Article 1

John Gasaway Article 2 - this might be the best one

[Shockm]

Algorithms set the expected win rate based on predictive metrics, accounting for each game's score, pace (possessions), and location. You've heard of KenPom right? WAB would be using the predictive ratings to establish a baseline for all 360+ teams of what the predicted number of wins of a hypothetical bubble team would be. Every iteration of this, whether Torvik or Seth Burn has done it, has led to more favorable treatment for mid-major schools.

It's one of the few developments in college basketball that's actually moving in a positive direction.

John Gasaway Article 1

John Gasaway Article 2 - this might be the best one

So algorithms are perfect? Algorithms all agree? We know that selection committees (people) aren’t perfect. But who sets the algorithms (People)? It all depends on which model (Algorithm), the people decide to use. Who has the power? Television Executives and Power Conferences.

it’s the same problem I heard regarding the Baseball World Series when a so called, or self proclaimed television expert said in October that this year was a “dream” baseball World Series, because it was the New York Yankees vs. the Los Angeles Dodgers.

My thought was, it wasn’t my “dream” World Series. Even though I like baseball, that turned me off, and I didn’t watch an inning.

[Atxshoxfan]

Algorithms set the expected win rate based on predictive metrics, accounting for each game's score, pace (possessions), and location. You've heard of KenPom right? WAB would be using the predictive ratings to establish a baseline for all 360+ teams of what the predicted number of wins of a hypothetical bubble team would be. Every iteration of this, whether Torvik or Seth Burn has done it, has led to more favorable treatment for mid-major schools.

It's one of the few developments in college basketball that's actually moving in a positive direction.

John Gasaway Article 1

John Gasaway Article 2 - this might be the best one

Great game if you like counting beans.

[WuShock Reaper]

NCAA talks expanding hoops tourney to 72 or 76

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/42913985/ncaa-talks-expanding-hoops-tourney-72-76

Dan Murphy, ESPN Staff Writer
Dec 11, 2024, 01:43 PM ET

"LAS VEGAS -- NCAA president Charlie Baker is "bullish" on the prospect of the NCAA basketball tournaments expanding to 72 or 76 teams in the near future.

Baker said he has been having productive conversations with television partners and members of the NCAA's basketball committees on expanding from the current 68-team bracket. He said the NCAA would have to make a decision to move forward by the end of this year's March Madness in order to implement the expanded field for the 2026 tournament.

He said the tournament is unlikely to grow any bigger than 76 because of the limited window they have to schedule games between the time when conference championships end and coverage of the Masters begins....'

[ShockTalk]

NCAA talks expanding hoops tourney to 72 or 76

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/42913985/ncaa-talks-expanding-hoops-tourney-72-76

Dan Murphy, ESPN Staff Writer
Dec 11, 2024, 01:43 PM ET

"LAS VEGAS -- NCAA president Charlie Baker is "bullish" on the prospect of the NCAA basketball tournaments expanding to 72 or 76 teams in the near future.

Baker said he has been having productive conversations with television partners and members of the NCAA's basketball committees on expanding from the current 68-team bracket. He said the NCAA would have to make a decision to move forward by the end of this year's March Madness in order to implement the expanded field for the 2026 tournament.

He said the tournament is unlikely to grow any bigger than 76 because of the limited window they have to schedule games between the time when conference championships end and coverage of the Masters begins....'

You left this out: "The NCAA's basketball committees presented proposals to expand the tournament last June after several major conferences and leaders such as SEC commissioner Greg Sankey publicly pushed to create more at-large bids for their schools."

F them.

[RoyalShock]

You left this out: "The NCAA's basketball committees presented proposals to expand the tournament last June after several major conferences and leaders such as SEC commissioner Greg Sankey publicly pushed to create more at-large bids for their schools."

F them.

Give it to them, but the trade-off is no team with a non-winning record (and yes, I intend to exclude .500 records) in conference is eligible if they don't win their tournament.

[JVShocker]

Give it to them, but the trade-off is no team with a non-winning record (and yes, I intend to exclude .500 records) in conference is eligible if they don't win their tournament.

Pretty sure the power conference teams will dictate the terms on this.