A New Type of NIL

[ShockHat]

The truth is, there's diminishing returns with throwing money at a problem like this. A $2.5M team is gonna be able to beat a $5M team more often that you'd expect. And with the right coach, a lot more than you'd expect. We've always been on a razor thin margin with respect to chances for national success. Gregg Marshall did A LOT with what he had. What price do you think our F4 players would command in today's marketplace? That's what we're going to need to spend going forward if we want to compete like we have in the past.

AND, Mills is gonna have to turn into a top 20 coach. Or should I say, REVEAL that he is a top 20 coach... soon.

What is this? Cold is suddenly coming out with the most reasonable and logical posts haha.

in all honesty, if we could get Koch to invest into a fund, with which we’re able to draw the returns off of for NIL, while he gets to retain the principal - that might be the best (and only) path left. All the major players have their billionaires. Wish ours would actually prop us up, even if at the very least to not tarnish his name in the roundhouse.

[BAShocker]

News story from TU.

TU fired their football coach (8th coach in 25 years). While recruiting some players last year for this season, he allegedly promised tens of thousands of dollars to the players.

The players have indicated they haven’t been paid.

They went to the AD, with the coach being gone. The AD told them too bad. They didn’t have anything in writing, therefore there’s nothing he can do.

[1972Shocker]

University of Tulsa Football Players Say Promised NIL Money Was Never Delivered

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/ope...ever-delivered

Yeah, let's bring back football. We don't have nearly enough self-entitled prima donnas. I know I would love to throw money at the player on an AAC bottom-dwelling team that has an ELO ranking of 130 out of 134 FBS teams and just closed out its season by losing at home to FAU 16-63 which dropped Tulsa into a last place tie with FAU and pushed FAU's ELO rating up to 129.

Theoretically, the players were to be paid for their name, image and likeness. Is that number even a positive number? I think Tulsa should be demanding money from the players for the damage done to Tulsa's brand.

[Maizerunner08]

Make athletes paid student employees of the university. They get paid hourly, like any other hourly employee. NCAA sets a cap for how much that hourly rate is.

[SubGod22]

Self-entitled prima donnas? Those players were promised something and then it wasn't delivered. I'm not sure how this is on them, other than not getting it in writing. But even with that, this is on those that made a promise/offer/deal and then didn't follow through.

Look, I hate where the NIL is right now as much as anyone, but attacking players who were sold something and then denied that aren't the problem.

[Dan]

Make athletes paid student employees of the university. They get paid hourly, like any other hourly employee. NCAA sets a cap for how much that hourly rate is.

and then certain athletes sue the NCAA for not being able to capitalize on their true earning potential. I don't know what the answer is, but there should be a clear difference between pro and amateur athletes.

[Atxshoxfan]

Try this, group divisions by teams total NIL values.
I E.
D1 >25mil
D2 = 10- 24.9mil
D3 = 5- 9.9mil
D4 = 1- 4.9mil
D5< 1 mil
Evaluate each year (post season) and move the team accordingly

[WuDrWu]

Self-entitled prima donnas? Those players were promised something and then it wasn't delivered. I'm not sure how this is on them, other than not getting it in writing. But even with that, this is on those that made a promise/offer/deal and then didn't follow through.

Look, I hate where the NIL is right now as much as anyone, but attacking players who were sold something and then denied that aren't the problem.

If they weren't smart enough to get something in writing, or to think you get something (money) for doing nothing.....then they didn't belong in college in the first place.

Just another reason I will never give a dime to NIL until it's a ton different than it is today.


Randomly perusing the first signing day for football (which means absolutely dick, by the way) and watching guys chase the bag all over the country...what a **** show.

One has to think some kind of employer/employee relationship with a salary cap of some sort is on the horizon, sooner than later because this model is in no way sustainable.

[wsushockerdude]

If they weren't smart enough to get something in writing, or to think you get something (money) for doing nothing.....then they didn't belong in college in the first place.

Just another reason I will never give a dime to NIL until it's a ton different than it is today.


Randomly perusing the first signing day for football (which means absolutely dick, by the way) and watching guys chase the bag all over the country...what a **** show.

One has to think some kind of employer/employee relationship with a salary cap of some sort is on the horizon, sooner than later because this model is in no way sustainable.

Just going to highlight this, as we'll never reach the heights you expect for this program until that changes. And since it will never live up to your standards (because it's a free and open market) we'll never get there.

[ShockerFever]

Just going to highlight this, as we'll never reach the heights you expect for this program until that changes. And since it will never live up to your standards (because it's a free and open market) we'll never get there.

This model isn’t gonna last, even with a lot of the big boys. Eventually, a lack of return on investment will be realized or funds will get dried up, or both. Look at Miami this year. How’s that $500K for Nigel Pack paying off?

When less and less people are going to college basketball games but more and more money is demanded from the players, what do you really think is gonna happen?

The principles here are completely out of whack.

[C0|dB|00ded]

Just going to highlight this, as we'll never reach the heights you expect for this program until that changes. And since it will never live up to your standards (because it's a free and open market) we'll never get there.

And that's perfectly fine. It's called principles. To be honest, I'm incredibly shocked that Doc said those words out loud. Glad he did though.

Paying Ron and Fred a million a piece after a F4 year is one thing. Paying a random Jimmy/Joe a million just because he signed with your school is quite another.

NIL is irrational and unsustainable. If some guy in Wichita wants to burn a pile of cash for reasons of his own, go for it. But to ask the hardworking middle-class Wichitans to front the equivalent of a six-figure UNEARNED allowance to a kid because he won't play a game if we don't? LMFBO!

There are no free lunches in a capitalistic economy.

[C0|dB|00ded]

The risk needs to be shared. If Jimmy comes to Wichita and lays an egg, he gets unlimited meals in the cafeteria. If he comes to town and fills up the stat sheet night in and night out, then he gets some dough.

The children are being unreasonable. And the "adults" are enabling them through the same parental perversion known as child worship which permeates society today and contributes to kids lopping off their genitals and peeing in litter boxes.

The kids are absolutely crying out for authority and discipline. They just don't know it because their brains won't finish developing until they are well into their mid-late 20's.

The anxiety and dysphoria can be cured. It's time for parents to be parents again.

[MadDog]

This model isn’t gonna last, even with a lot of the big boys. Eventually, a lack of return on investment will be realized or funds will get dried up, or both. Look at Miami this year. How’s that $500K for Nigel Pack paying off?

When less and less people are going to college basketball games but more and more money is demanded from the players, what do you really think is gonna happen?

The principles here are completely out of whack.

I think what’s going to happen is we’re going to soon get to that one super conference the BIG and SEC dream of, and the rest of us will eventually settle into something more sustainable. And that would be ok. I don’t like the idea of stepping down a division but if that division included the B12, ACC, Big East, PAC, Mountain West, and A10, I could get excited about that. I think we’re going to get there sooner rather than later.

For reference just look at this years college football playoffs. The B12 is a one bid league with their only team being the lowest rated team in the playoffs (12 seed). This in spite of having two 10 win teams. Their commish is losing his mind and crying with every tv interview he can get. I wonder if he is having buyers remorse over the AAC teams he pulled in? Kinda sucks to be a mid major doesn’t it?

[rjl]

Love all the supposed economic free-market lovers start to hate the idea of a free market when it's a bunch of college basketball players wanting to participate. Who, other than the market is to say their monetary demands are unreasonable? If they don't get the amount of money they are asking from any school, then the market says their request is unreasonable. If just one school is willing to pay it, then they are reasonable.

Bottom line is that college athletics has become a big money industry over the last three to four decades, and the college players upon whom it has been built are now getting a piece of it. Within a decade or so it will probably calm down and all the big donors from big schools will start to believe it's just not worth it to pay a guy hundreds of thousands to sit on the bench. Or maybe not. Who knows. But right now, if you want to participate, you've got to either pay up or get extremely lucky getting a kid who's spending a year at WSU putting out a showcase to try to get big money elsewhere the next season.

The flipside of all this is that now it's actually possible for a school like Wichita State to land a top 5 recruit. All it would take is the money.

[Shocktoberfest]

In the hypothetical world where the man on the arena decided he wants a winner and we landed 2 or 3 top 20 players I am trying to figure out if I would be interested in watching that. I guess so. But the reality is that the whole thing has lost its luster. We aren't going back to the good ol' days. That doesn't sound so good to me either. Sucks!