Paul Mills Room Temperature Seat

[shock]

Think of where the program was when we got Turgeon. You are more or less making my point. Calculated risk that paid off big time but it was a penny stock not a AA bond.

That wasn’t a rebuttal as much as it was a reminder of the slim pickings available that A) we could afford and B) wanted to coach at a school rebuilding its entire athletic dept from the ground up because it was drunkenly drove into a ditch and then set on fire.

[ShockTalk]

Do you think coaches only recruit during the off season?

Heck NO! These factors however, 1) which coach who stayed at ORU was recruiting what player, 2) if there was a new player he felt could help here, 3) Summit Conference is practically in the bottom third of all conferences, 4) the American is still in the top third and was in the top quarter. Mills hit lighting in a bottle with Abmas. I'm guessing the pickin's were small to none.

[WstateU]

Heck NO! These factors however, 1) which coach who stayed at ORU was recruiting what player, 2) if there was a new player he felt could help here, 3) Summit Conference is practically in the bottom third of all conferences, 4) the American is still in the top third and was in the top quarter. Mills hit lighting in a bottle with Abmas. I'm guessing the pickin's were slim to none.

[1972Shocker]

That being said, I think he made a huge mistake in banking too hard on Abmas.

i have no idea what his expectations were regarding Abmas but as long as he was a possibility there were probably not a lot of high level points guards interested in Wichita State. Perhaps he should have given Abmas a shorter deadline to paint or get off the ladder regarding WSU so that he could move on while there was still some good options. However, even if he had done that there is not guarantee he could actually attract a high level point guard with what appears to be a relatively anemic pool of NIL funds.

[ShockTalk]

[Shockm]

Tell me, how was the atmosphere at the Fairmount v. Cooper football game? Did the Coleman lanterns cast a warm glow?

I don’t know anything about the 1890’s but since we started Big Time Basketball with 11,000 fans in the arena every game, I do know. You, unlike me, are a Bandwagon fan. I remember all the great Shockers, including Dave Stallworth. Just in case, as a bandwagon fan, you aren’t aware, he has a statue in front of the arena.

[shock]

I don’t know anything about the 1890’s but since we started Big Time Basketball with 11,000 fans in the arena every game, I do know. You, unlike me, are a Bandwagon fan. I remember all the great Shockers, including Dave Stallworth. Just in case, as a bandwagon fan, you aren’t aware, he has a statue in front of the arena.

Big ol Badass Baller is hardly a bandwagon fan, no matter how cantankerous he is.

[Shockm]

Big ol Badass Baller is hardly a bandwagon fan, no matter how cantankerous he is.

The only problem I have is when you place Dave Stallworth, and HOF'er Ralph Miller, who introduced our community to Modern Big Time Basketball against other great teams with Fairmount College. We are closer to UCLA than Fairmont College when it comes to basketball history. I remember BOBB said he went to Friends University. Otherwise, I don't know him, and when Friends was good, some of their people said they could compete with Wichita State. Not on their best days and WSU's worst days. There are a lot of people (including BOBB) who lack respect for Ggg, but he's as close as one can get to Ralph Miller.

Go after Paul Mills as much as anyone wishes until he proves himself, but Marshall did prove himself, even if the last year or two, the best he could do was the NIT Final 4, and a Top 50 rating.

[BOBB]

The only problem I have is when you place Dave Stallworth, and HOF'er Ralph Miller, who introduced our community to Modern Big Time Basketball against other great teams with Fairmount College. We are closer to UCLA than Fairmont College when it comes to basketball history. I remember BOBB said he went to Friends University. Otherwise, I don't know him, and when Friends was good, some of their people said they could compete with Wichita State. Not on their best days and WSU's worst days. There are a lot of people (including BOBB) who lack respect for Ggg, but he's as close as one can get to Ralph Miller.

Go after Paul Mills as much as anyone wishes until he proves himself, but Marshall did prove himself, even if the last year or two, the best he could do was the NIT Final 4, and a Top 50 rating.

Just having a chuckle at your expense. I’m a WSU alum on the bandwagon since the early ‘80’s. It does hurt my feelings that you think I’m so thick as to not jump off the bandwagon in the ‘90’s.

Miller and Stallworth were well before my time, but I know their legends. Interestingly in today’s environment would Miller have made it through his results in the ‘50’s? Different world and different league back then and I don’t pretend to know the landscape, but a decade of mostly .500 ball. Definitely played the long game there.

Maybe we should have stuck with IB?

[Kung Wu]

Maybe we should have stuck with IB?

[another shocker]

I think you have mistaken the wrong coach who is coaching WSU. Paul Mills is not known for having teams that play defense. If anything, this is one of the better defensive teams he has had.

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holy sh*t

well, wsu is down among the very bottom in the country in ft%, turnovers, and team assists avg., probably below 300 in all of them, so they are equal oppurtunity.

oru is a basketball school. sean sutton did great there- they beat turgeon in wichita one year and at allen field house the very next year.

[ShockHat]

holy sh*t

well, wsu is down among the very bottom in the country in ft%, turnovers, and team assists avg., probably below 300 in all of them, so they are equal oppurtunity.

oru is a basketball school. sean sutton did great there- they beat turgeon in wichita one year and at allen field house the very next year.

yeah… this is probably the most concerning thing for me. How does Baylor do with Drew in defense? I know Mills models his play style after that a lot but feel like Baylor was really strong defensively?

[BOBB]

IB’s record compares pretty well with Ralph Miller over the same tenure. Miller won one conference title in 13 seasons. For most of his tenure Wichita was a mid-pack finisher.

Again, different times I understand and the eye test told me things were going the wrong way with IB.

[Kung Wu]

IB’s record compares pretty well with Ralph Miller over the same tenure. Miller won one conference title in 13 seasons. For most of his tenure Wichita was a mid-pack finisher.

Again, different times I understand and the eye test told me things were going the wrong way with IB.

Regardless, we're still a bunch of muppets with pitchforks.

[shocker_torero]

IB was a bad coach. So is PM.